Hi Tweeters,

Fred Bird says:

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>3. For the 300th time I wondered why Urban Hort hadnt posted the
>area as off limits to bikers ( I am one, but a purist road biker).

Experience in Vancouver BC's parks show that signs without enforcement are a
complete waste of taxpayers' time and money (except to the guys who gets the
work). Vancouver's parks have become a clutter of signs banning all sorts of
things to little or no effect. People ignore them, but it seems to make our
Parks Board happy to put them up. Gives the crews something to do beside
laying down and mowing lawns, weed-whacking in nesting season, and cutting
down nesting snags and trees.

>4. No, signs wont keep all bikers out but it would allow the rest
>of us to rant more effectively as we point with indignation.

Plus, many bikers are in such a testosterone haze that ranting at them is,
at best, likely to be as productive as yelling at the villain at Saturday
Night Wrestling and, at worst, might provide the trigger for additional
antisocial behavior. Fines get their attention, though it's the one option
that's never imposed and enforced by whichever level of government is
responsible for the integrity of the parks in question.

Education is *far* preferable to enforcement, but without the latter the
former is severely handicapped.

Michael Price
Vancouver BC Canada
michael_price at mindlink.bc.ca