Yes! I vote for "Quick Three Beers"! Could even include an illustration
of that well-dressed bird.
-Joan Scott
joanms at u

On Sat, 7 Oct 1995 tweeters at u.washington.edu wrote:

> TWEETERS Digest 444
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: various and sundry = decal
> by kit at srv.net (Kit Struthers)
> 2) Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> by tbecker at physio-control.com (Ted Becker)
> 3) Crow with a Message? (Not really on-topic...)
> by Jon Anderson <anderjda at dfw.wa.gov>
> 4) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> 5) Research associate job, MT, birds (fwd)
> by Scott Richardson <richasar at dfw.wa.gov>
> 6) Crow with a Message? (Not really on-topic...)
> by Jerry_Tangren at tfrec.ncw.net
> 7) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by tbecker at physio-control.com (Ted Becker)
> 8) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by "H. Clark" <clarks at u.washington.edu>
> 9) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Irene Wanner <iwanner at u.washington.edu>
> 10) Ownership of Information
> by egreenw at helix.net (Eric Greenwood)
> 11) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 12) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> 13) Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> by "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> 14) Re: Ownership of Information
> by anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> 15) Re: starlings & bluebirds in Oregon
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 16) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 17) oak woodlands and starlings
> by "J. Seavey" <jseavey at u.washington.edu>
> 18) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> 19) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee) 'n "UDUB"
> by Maureen Ellis <me2 at u.washington.edu>
> 20) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> 21) Re: tv migration
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 22) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 23) Re: Townsend's solitaire
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 24) More on referencing a tweeters posting
> by anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> 25) Vernita mockers
> by "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> 26) Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> 27) Re: Ownership of Information
> by h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov (Herb Curl)
> 28) Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> 29) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> 30) Re: Ownership of Information
> by anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> 31) Re: Ownership of Information
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 32) Re: oak woodlands and starlings
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 33) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov (Herb Curl)
> 34) Re: Ownership of Information
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 35) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 36) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Serge Le Huitouze <serge at cs.sfu.ca>
> 37) TV basics
> by fredbird at halcyon.com
> 38) Re: starlings & bluebirds in Oregon
> by bcombs at ednet1.osl.or.gov (Barbara J. Combs)
> 39) Party Time
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart.mackay at attws.com>
> 40) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 41) Seattle weather (fwd, OT [off topic])
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 42) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 43) Re: oak woodlands and starlings
> by Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> 44) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> 45) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Jane Stewart <jstewart at wln.com>
> 46) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Jan Vafa <pendari at u.washington.edu>
> 47) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee) 'n "UDUB"
> by Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> 48) Re: Ownership of Information
> by Jane Stewart <jstewart at wln.com>
> 49) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> 50) Lapland Longspur at Fill
> by "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> 51) re: FRG + another African vacation
> by "D. Victor" <dvictor at u.washington.edu>
> 52) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> 53) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by jbroadus at seanet.com
> 54) No Loosestrifing this weekend & A confession !!!!
> by Stuart MacKay <stuart.mackay at attws.com>
> 55) Re: Seattle weather (fwd, OT [off topic])
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 56) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by jbroadus at seanet.com
> 57) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Jon Anderson <anderjda at dfw.wa.gov>
> 58) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 59) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> 60) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by Stan Ray <stanray at WOLFE.net>
> 61) Re: Eastside Surf Scoters
> by Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> 62) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> 63) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> 64) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> 65) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> 66) First attempt at a Tweeters logo...
> by Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> 67) Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> by STEPNIEWSKI at delphi.com
> 68) Re: Falcon Research Group
> by STEPNIEWSKI at delphi.com
> 69) subscribe
> by Fred Fiedler <fiedlerf at wln.com>
> 70) Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> by Susan Collicott <camel at serv.net>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:09:16 -0700
> From: kit at srv.net (Kit Struthers)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: various and sundry = decal
> Message-ID: <9510061308.AA30895 at snake.srv.net>
>
> Herb,
>
> I'd like both a patch and a T-shirt--preferably long-sleeved, but short is
> OK too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kit
>
>
> Kit Struthers
> kit at srv.net
> Idaho Falls, Id
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 07:40:52 PDT
> From: tbecker at physio-control.com (Ted Becker)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061440.AA23178 at physio-control.com>
>
>
> Lighten up Mike. I only made a suggestion to donate the excess funds to some group using FRG as an example because they are local. At least they're getting funds from somewhere other than taxes.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jon Anderson <anderjda at dfw.wa.gov>
> To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Crow with a Message? (Not really on-topic...)
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951006074737.18399A-100000 at galadriel>
>
> Tweets,
>
> The morning's already started off weird....
>
> 20 minutes ago I watched a crow in downtown Olympia (Capitol and State)
> drop a yellow Post-It right in front of me. I walked over, picked it up
> to see what the note said. The note was blank!
>
> What does this portend? Is it a message? A co-worker claims that it may
> be bad luck.... do I need a cleansing from a shaman?
>
> What a way to start my day.
>
> Jon. Anderson
> Olympia, WA
> anderjda at dfw.wa.gov
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:57:55 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <199510061457.HAA06140 at animal.blarg.net>
>
> David Wright wrote:
>
> "Hmm, yes, the design -- how about a Native PNW/Cascadian "Indian"-style
> image of a bird (head of a bird)? These are graphically simple and striking,
> and appropriate for the geographic coverage of tweeters. This would be be
> less cluttered visually than something that attempted to symbolize birds &
> computers, a la birdchat."
>
> Excellent idea, though I would consider crows or ravens kind of plain. As far
> as a bird symbolizing the NW what about Surf Scoters - pretty distinctive and
> so it should be easy to capture in a graphic. Harlequin would be really cool.
> I'd buy one.
>
> I don't to disparage my heritage, but what about having "tweeters" emblazoned
> across the shirt. Tweeters makes me think of fluffy day old chickens or
> christmas card cardinals or chickadees. It's certainly a name which brings
> a snigger from my non-birding friends - sorry I had to say it !!!!!
>
> Stuart - stuck formly in the closet !!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Richardson <richasar at dfw.wa.gov>
> To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Research associate job, MT, birds (fwd)
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951006075800.20837B-100000 at gandalf>
>
> Anybody want a bird job?
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:59:00 EDT
> From: di5 <David_W_INOUYE at UMAIL.UMD.EDU>
> To: Multiple recipients of list AOUNET-L <AOUNET-L at UMDD.UMD.EDU>
> Subject: Research associate job, MT, birds
>
> SEARCH EXTENDED
>
> RESEARCH ASSOCIATE POSITION
> IN
> BIRD NESTING AND HABITAT DATA ANALYSES
> AT
> THE UNIVERSITY OF MONTANA
>
> $21,000-25,000/yr, plus full fringe benefits (health insurance,
> retirement, vacation). Currently funded for one year, with good
> possibility of multiple-year extension with satisfactory performance.
> Primary duties are to conduct overview analyses and management
> of a large, collaborative data set (BBIRD) on nest success and
> associated habitat and actively publish results in peer-reviewed
> outlets. If field work is desired, can supervise a large field crew in
> high elevation, remote (tent-living) forests in Arizona during summers to
> locate and monitor nest fate of 32 bird species, capture and band
> cavity-nesting birds, operate dataloggers and video cameras and measure
> vegetation. However, data management/analysis is most important
> skill. Preference given to those with motivation to work extensive
> hours, familiarity with PC computers and database management, statistical
> analyses of nesting success, habitat modelling, multivariate distance
> analyses, record of publishing, and field experience (nest searching,
> banding, vocal identification). Minimum of M.S. required. Position
> open until suitable candidate identified. Review of applications will
> begin 15 November. Position starts in January or as soon as a
> successful applicant is identified. Please send letter explaining
> background experience and career goals, curriculum vita, and have 3
> letters of recommendation to: Thomas E. Martin, Montana
> Cooperative Wildlife Research Unit, University of Montana,
> Missoula, MT 59812 (406-243-5372; tmartin at Selway.umt.edu).
> EEO/AA This position announcement can be made available in
> alternative formats upon request.
>
>
>
>
> ------------ End Forwarded Message -------------
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:17:02 -0700
> From: Jerry_Tangren at tfrec.ncw.net
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Crow with a Message? (Not really on-topic...)
> Message-ID: <199510060816.008EFDD4 at tfrec.ncw.net>
>
> >Tweets,
> >
> >The morning's already started off weird....
> >
> >20 minutes ago I watched a crow in downtown Olympia (Capitol and State)
> >drop a yellow Post-It right in front of me. I walked over, picked it up
> >to see what the note said. The note was blank!
> >
> >What does this portend? Is it a message? A co-worker claims that it may
> >be bad luck.... do I need a cleansing from a shaman?
> >
> >What a way to start my day.
> >
> >Jon. Anderson
> >Olympia, WA
> >anderjda at dfw.wa.gov
>
> What's weird? The crow sounds like a typical state employee going about its
> work.
>
> Jerry_Tangren at tfrec.ncw.net
> WA State Univ, Wenatchee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 08:13:13 PDT
> From: tbecker at physio-control.com (Ted Becker)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061513.AA23298 at physio-control.com>
>
> > David Wright wrote:
> >
> > "Hmm, yes, the design -- how about a Native PNW/Cascadian "Indian"-style
> > image of a bird (head of a bird)? These are graphically simple and striking,
> > and appropriate for the geographic coverage of tweeters. This would be be
> > less cluttered visually than something that attempted to symbolize birds &
> > computers, a la birdchat."
>
> How about adding in small print the tweeters Email address.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "H. Clark" <clarks at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006083857.19538A-100000 at homer27.u.washington.edu>
>
> I like the idea of the Varied thrush or eagles, crows or ravens as David
> suggested. I object to Goldfinches who flap about saying " potato chip".
> How about a Winter wren or canyon wren? Or "quick three beers"?
> -----------
> Suzi & Hugh Clark
> clarks at u.washington.edu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:57:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Irene Wanner <iwanner at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006085559.62755G-100000 at homer23.u.washington.edu>
>
> Neat. Lower case! Goldfinch & loosestrife: gold & purple. (I'm back to
> that pair again.) I mean, we ARE at u.washington! - Irene
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Ted Becker wrote:
>
> > How about adding in small print the tweeters Email address.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:38:24 -0700
> From: egreenw at helix.net (Eric Greenwood)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <199510061559.IAA07060 at helix.net>
>
> The Wild Bird Trust of British Columbia (WBT) is a fairly new organization
> that has just opened a wildlife sanctuary in North Vancouver. As a result
> of the clean-up work done in the past few years and the resulting
> improvement to habitat, the area has managed to attract Purple Martins to
> nest boxes. The was one pair last year with young and two this year.
>
> WBT puts out a magazine/newsletter for its members and I've provided some
> copies of the postings about Purple Martins from Tweeters to the editor for
> an article on this subject. Now the question arisies as to the ownership of
> the information.
>
> Are there any guidelines regarding the use of information from Tweeters
> postings in publications?
>
> Will I satisfy the authors of postings if we put a credit in the article
> such as "Thanks to those subscribers of Tweeters, a service for
> birding-related topics on the Internet, for the use of their information on
> this topic"?
>
> Comments please!
>
>
>
> Eric Greenwood
> Vancouver, B.C.
> egreenw at helix.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 08:57:52 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061557.AA16643 at picard.rational.com>
>
> Suzi & Hugh Clark:
> >Or "quick three beers"?
>
> We'll save this phrase for the happy occasion on which we dispose
> of the excess funds :)
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951006091049.9498A-100000 at harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Irene Wanner wrote:
>
> > Neat. Lower case! Goldfinch & loosestrife: gold & purple. (I'm back to
> > that pair again.) I mean, we ARE at u.washington! - Irene
>
>
> SOME of us as at U Dub, others have more sense.
>
> dale
> moscow
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006092331.13683B-100000 at homer17.u.washington.edu>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Ted Becker wrote:
> > Lighten up Mike. I only made a suggestion to donate the excess funds to
> some group using FRG as an example because they are local. At least
> they're getting funds from somewhere other than taxes.
>
> Hi Ted, sorry if I sounded like I was attacking you personally. I wasn't
> trying to do that. But I still stand by my position regarding FRG.
>
> -------------
> Michael R. Smith
> Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 09:53:48 PDT
> From: anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <9510061653.AA15582 at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU>
>
> You should actually get permission from the author of the write-ups, if
> you're going to be proper about it. This topic has been discussed many
> times in other forums, esp ones on copyright; the conclusion is usually
> the above, both for courtesy and copyright reasons (although I don't
> recall what the conclusions about the _validity_ of copyright arguments
> were; the ones about courtesy are pretty obvious). I don't believe
> there is any implied consent specified in the tweeters welcome message.
> The issue of copying part/all of a message into a reply on the same
> forum is obviously not following the same "ask permission" protocol.
>
> If you are asking, not about copying the entire messages, but only
> quoting/citing facts/data from those messages, then I believe the
> arguments are that you cite the message just as if it were any other
> published document. There are recommendations about how to cite
> electronically published matter, such as discussion list messages, in
> one of the more well-known "how to cite literature" books (whose
> authors/title I can't recall offhand). It does include the author's
> name, date posted, place posted, and probably the subject line and
> maybe more.
> Peter
>
> Eric said, among other things:
>
> >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:38:24 -0700
> >From: egreenw at helix.net (Eric Greenwood)
>
> >WBT puts out a magazine/newsletter for its members and I've provided some
> >copies of the postings about Purple Martins from Tweeters to the editor for
> >an article on this subject. Now the question arisies as to the ownership of
> >the information.
>
> >Are there any guidelines regarding the use of information from Tweeters
> >postings in publications?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:38:19 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: starlings & bluebirds in Oregon
> Message-ID: <9510061639.AA05219 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> >The Eugene CBC count circle contains precious little habitat that
> >would be attractive to Western Bluebirds. Houses, stores, and
> >industrial development have taken over much of the bird habitat.
> >Starlings adapt well to the neighborhood Wendy's and Taco Bell,
> >but bluebirds do not. So maybe what we are seeing is a comparison
> >of how adaptable to human development these two species are.
> >- at least in part.
> >
> >--
> >Barbara Combs obie '70
>
> Thanks for the additional info, Barbara. Do you have starling numbers too
> for the 1961 count? You can post to me directly.
>
> I think your last sentence--"So maybe what we are seeing is a comparison of
> how adaptable to human development these two species are"--probably says it
> in full, rather than in part. "Human development" covers a very broad
> range of activities in addition to the proliferation of Taco Bells,
> including some that affect the abundance of prey for a species as well as
> the abundance of its predators and competitors.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:49:50 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <9510061651.AA07196 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> Townsend's Solitaires breed commonly to well below 3,500 feet on the dry
> east side of the Cascades. I found a nest in Robinson Canyon, Kittitas
> Co., at about 2,200 feet and have seen them on most visits to the same
> area, and I believe that they breed widely throughout the ponderosa
> pine/Douglas-fir community (they nest on the ground and may prefer areas
> with earth banks, as in road cuts). From that habitat, they occur right up
> to tree line.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "J. Seavey" <jseavey at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: Northwest birding email <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: oak woodlands and starlings
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006094030.117546B-100000 at homer27.u.washington.edu>
>
>
> I tried to reply yesterday to the discussion about starlings and
> oak woodlands but my computer got the better of me...
> I just spend 6 months doing point counts, banding, and nest
> searches among the oak woodlands of Klickitat county. I have some
> interesting observations about the starlings there.
> The lewis woodpeckers (lewo) were definately hit hard by the
> starlings. At the beginning of the breeding season (may) i observed lots
> of lewo setting up territories and going in and out of cavities. They
> are especially fond of the area around Catherine Creek and up the
> Klickitat river canyon. But somewhere around june the starlings came in
> and pushed the lewo out of the cavities they had claimed. The lewo
> activity went down dramatically. The starlings were most common around
> areas of development (no big surprise)- unfortunately i saw most of the
> lewo also around these areas.
> The starlings did not seem to affect other cavity nesters. The
> acorn woodpeckers did not seem bothered- i did not observed any starlings
> in their territory area. And this is werid because this area is located
> along the columbia river gorge- accessable to the starlings.
> The Ash-throated Flycatcher (the subject of my master's thesis
> and therefore extensive nest searches and observations) were not affected
> by the starlings either.
> Both those species are very territorial when it comes to nest
> area defense. The acwo have been established at there present site for
> at least five years- perhaps turning the starlings away. The atfl are
> very aggressive, coupled with the fact that the atfl prefer older pure
> oak sites (which tend to be located further from people).
> I don't really think that cavities are the limiting factor for
> atfl but where the starlings do come in ...perhaps there are some many of
> them looking of holes about the same size as the lewo ... and with the
> lewo not being as agressive..well they lose out.
> I am sure there ae other things i haven't thought of yet related
> to this question...but that is it for now
>
> jennifer seavey
> jseavey at u.washington.edu
> u.washington- wildlife sciences group
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006095717.20025B-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> How about a Tufted Puffin?
>
> Gene.
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Stuart MacKay wrote:
>
> > David Wright wrote:
> >
> > "Hmm, yes, the design -- how about a Native PNW/Cascadian "Indian"-style
> > image of a bird (head of a bird)? These are graphically simple and striking,
> > and appropriate for the geographic coverage of tweeters. This would be be
> > less cluttered visually than something that attempted to symbolize birds &
> > computers, a la birdchat."
> >
> > Excellent idea, though I would consider crows or ravens kind of plain. As far
> > as a bird symbolizing the NW what about Surf Scoters - pretty distinctive and
> > so it should be easy to capture in a graphic. Harlequin would be really cool.
> > I'd buy one.
> >
> > I don't to disparage my heritage, but what about having "tweeters" emblazoned
> > across the shirt. Tweeters makes me think of fluffy day old chickens or
> > christmas card cardinals or chickadees. It's certainly a name which brings
> > a snigger from my non-birding friends - sorry I had to say it !!!!!
> >
> > Stuart - stuck formly in the closet !!!!
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Maureen Ellis <me2 at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee) 'n "UDUB"
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006094701.17787A-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> Dale, in all due respect.....................
>
> Unfortunately, in today's job market, "having more sense" just doesn't
> always pay the bills. Working at the UDUB may not be the dream career for
> which one hoped, but it does pay the bills.......more so than unemployment
> compensation, which I don't recommend having to get.
>
> I also vote for a NW Native American art style Varied Thrush on our tees,
> sweatshirts, 'n jackets. Despite the controversy of "UDUB", having the
> phrase 'tweeters at u.washington.edu' really is a neat idea!
>
> Also, if there are surplus funds after the sales, supporting the
> hardware/software of our tweeters' list is probably the best use.
> There'll be parties/picnics, etc., anyway. The information conveyed by
> the tweeters list is an enormous public service (and maintains the sanity
> of those of us working for a living................at the UDUB).
>
> Besides, is there any less petty, less peevish politics at any other
> university or state agency for that matter?
>
> Maureen E. Ellis
> Tox Group at Roos 1
> DEH, SPHCM Box 354695
> University of WA
> Seattle, WA 98195
> me2 at u.washington.edu
> ************************************************************************
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Dale Goble wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Irene Wanner wrote:
> >
> > > Neat. Lower case! Goldfinch & loosestrife: gold & purple. (I'm back to
> > > that pair again.) I mean, we ARE at u.washington! - Irene
> >
> >
> > SOME of us as at U Dub, others have more sense.
> >
> > dale
> > moscow
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006101150.81994A-100000 at homer16.u.washington.edu>
>
>
> After Dennis's message, I checked the BBA data, which show Towsend's
> Solitaire nesting all along the lower treeline, with a confirmed nest from
> Spokane (probably Dishman Hills area). I moved this map to our WWW
> directory. You can access it this way:
>
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/myto.gif
>
> -------------
> Michael R. Smith
> Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:14:12 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: tv migration
> Message-ID: <9510061715.AA11034 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> >How far south do the T.V.s migrate?
> >Why do they migrate in such large numbers?
> >Where do they nest?
> >
> > Solveig Crawford and Stephanie Baum
>
> Dear Solveig and Stephanie,
>
> Turkey Vultures migrate a very long distance indeed, some of them all the
> way to South America. Thousands have been seen (and photographed as dots
> filling the sky) migrating over the Panama Canal. These may be birds from
> the eastern parts of North America. We don't know if western birds fly
> that south or winter somewhere in western Mexico and northern Central
> America, where a lot of other western birds winter.
>
> They migrate in large numbers because they probably use each other as clues
> about where favorable thermals and winds are. Also, there are only so many
> good migration routes, and the birds probably collect along them.
> Nevertheless, they could all migrate singly, but they seem to prefer to
> flock, so they probably cue on each other a lot, especially young birds.
> They certainly don't need to flock to avoid predators, as some smaller
> birds do.
>
> They typically nest on the ground at the base of snags or on cliff ledges.
>
> You should find a copy of the raptor volume of A. C. Bent's "Life Histories
> of North American Birds," which will tell you a lot more about Turkey
> Vultures.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:19:53 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061721.AA11891 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> David Wright wrote:
>
> >Hmm, yes, the design -- how about a Native PNW/Cascadian "Indian"-style
> >image of a bird (head of a bird)? These are graphically simple and striking,
> >and appropriate for the geographic coverage of tweeters. This would be be
> >less cluttered visually than something that attempted to symbolize birds &
> >computers, a la birdchat. The Native Cascadian images I've seen tend to be
> >eagles, crows, ravens, any of which would do. But if I were to nominate the
> >best bird for the job (in whatever style the thing ends up being rendered),
> >it would have to be the Varied Thrush. Amer Goldfinch was mentioned before,
> >and is OK, but hardly evocative of Cascadia. Other birds arguably evoke
> >Cascadia, true, but none are as visually (and aurally) striking as the
> >Varied Thrush.
>
> I'll vote for the Varied Thrush as a beautiful and quite appropriate symbol
> of Cascadia. I like the Black Oystercatcher as a symbol, too, but it's
> already used in the logo for Point Reyes Bird Observatory. The t-shirt
> should have a little chip embedded in it that you can rub whenever you want
> to hear a VATH sing.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:33:14 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's solitaire
> Message-ID: <9510061734.AA13955 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> >Cold doesn't bother the solitaires. We often find solitaires on the
> >Wenatchee CBC, and they are common in winter farther south on the high
> >desert of eastern Oregon and northern California.
> >
> >Jerry Tangren
>
> Solitaires are another of the relatively few species that are more common
> east of the Cascades than west during winter. Their winter food consists
> primarily of juniper berries (you might be able to make gin from blended
> solitaires), so they are common throughout the range of that tree genus.
> Where there aren't junipers, they also subsist on other fruits, for example
> rose hips or fruits such as pyracantha that persist through the winter in
> towns.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 10:54:15 PDT
> From: anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: More on referencing a tweeters posting
> Message-ID: <9510061754.AA15726 at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU>
>
> My mind is slipping. Here are excerpts from a posting to BENE made
> just the other day! I removed those five or so suggestions/comments
> that were not citing some reference source. Still, there seems to be
> concern that all is not settled yet. The Li and Crane reference is the
> one I was not recalling in my previous post.
> Peter
> -------------------------
> >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:58:12 +0600
> >From: Marcus E Walsh <mwalsh at snakemail.hut.fi>
> >To: Multiple recipients of list <bene at straylight.tamu.edu>
> >Subject: Referencing Net sources...
> >X-Comment: Biodiversity and Ecosystems NEtwork (BENE) Email ListServer
> >
> >Dear All,
> >
> >Here is a summary of responses received to my query on how to
> >best reference a Net source in a scientific (or any) paper. Many
> >thanks to all who responded.
> > ...
> >______________________________________________________________
> >From: Charles Chester <cchester at emerald.tufts.edu>
> >
> >The following is a guide to making citations from the internet. I've
> >found it somewhat helpful, but not complete.
> >
> >Xia Li and Nancy B. Crane. 1993. _Electronic Style: A Guide to Citing
> >Electronic Information_. London:Meckler Publishing. ISBN 0-88736-909-X
> >
> >____________________________________________________________
> >
> >From: Torin Monahan <hbeng048 at dewey.csun.edu>
> >
> >The Modern Language Association's newest edition of their handbook for
> >writers of research papers (4th ed. 1995) devotes some text to addressing
> >this issue. They claim that a citation of an electronic text should contain:
> >
> >1. Name of author (if any)
> >2. Title of the text (underlined)
> >3. Publication information for the printed source
> >4. Publication medium (online)
> >5. Name of the repository of the electronic text
> >6. Name of the computer network
> >7. Date of access.
> >
> >They give a few examples of this citation format, but simply list "Internet"
> >for name of computer network. Already, with the rapid proliferation of
> >Internet resources in this year alone, the MLA's methods seem out of date.
> >I would expect them to include URL information in their next guidline
> >publication. For the time being, however, theirs is probably the most
> >widely accepted format for documentation of resources used.
> >________________________________________________________________
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Vernita mockers
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006104259.79602A-100000 at homer24.u.washington.edu>
>
>
> Could someone send me the details of the Vernita Mockingbirds this year?
> I seem to have deleted my posts of that bird. I'd like the dates they were
> there, exact location, etc. If you have some of the RBAs saved, that
> would be swell. TIA
>
> -------------
> Michael R. Smith
> Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:47:38 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <199510061747.KAA08410 at animal.blarg.net>
>
> Mike wrote about the FRG
>
> In my experience the FRG seems pretty typical of raptor study groups.
> Secrecy and apparent cliquishness is usually the image they project. In a lot of cases this is entirely justifiable given the pressures on birds of prey - disturbance (the includes birders), egg collecting, hunting, etc. However it does
> help to project an image of elitism and arrogance.
>
> There is also a macho thing about raptors which also promotes highly
> territorial attitudes, but then again I could also describe the same thing
> about shorebird banders - perhaps this is an image that focussed study
> groups project - shorebirds/raptors at the expense of everything else !!!
>
> Stuart
> --
> Stuart MacKay, Ravenna Ave NE, Seattl, WA 98105
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:50:37 PDT
> From: h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov (Herb Curl)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <1995Oct06.105037.281382 at hazmat.noaa.gov>
>
> Internet lists are an open forum akin to nailing your theses to the church
> door (or a telephone pole), sending a letter to the editor or haranging
> passersby in the city park. Unless you say, "these remarks are copyrighted
> and may not be reproduced without permission of the author", you've lost
> ownership. It is ethical and courteous to acknowledge the source of
> postings. It is unethical and discourteous to quote or forward a private
> communication without the permission of the author. One may also want to
> distinguish between *information* which deserves a reasonable citation, and
> "opinion" which may not. Let common sense and common courtesy prevail.
>
> Herb "Miss Manners" Curl
>
> h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov "You may be only young once but you can be
> Hazmat/NOAA, 7600 Sand Pt. Wy., NE immature the rest of your life."
> Seattle, WA 98115-0070
> (206) 526-6272
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:55:27 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: FRG (formerly tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <199510061755.KAA08458 at animal.blarg.net>
>
> Serge wrote:
>
> I don't know anything about FRG, neither pro or cons, but I don't find
> the secrecy of breeding data (i.e. sites) is enough to blame this
> organization. FWIW.
>
>
> There is a book published in egg collecting circles in the UK, detailing the locations of the nesting sites of more rare breeding birds than you can shake a stick at. A lot of the records were completely new to the birding and conservation
> organisations.
>
> There is only a limited number of copies in circulation and the Royal Society
> For The Protection of Birds is doing its best to collect and destroy all the
> copies.
>
> I have met several 'nesters' (not egg collectors) who can be described as being
> on the fringes of the birder community who know about some pretty tremendous
> rare birds breeding in the UK.
>
> The upshot of all this is that most of the 'bad influences' who have an
> interest in rare breeding birds and birds of prey in particular already
> know of all the interesting sites. The only reason for withholding the
> information would be to avoid disturbance from Birders and possibly from
> psychos who have a grudge against protected species.
>
> Stuart
> --
> same place as before
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:00:58 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <199510061800.LAA08507 at animal.blarg.net>
>
> Dennis wrote:
>
> "The t-shirt
> should have a little chip embedded in it that you can rub whenever you want
> to hear a VATH sing.
> "
>
> Not so difficult to do. How about a scratch 'n sniff version as well, though
> in this context I'd suggest adding essence of pine tree rather than essence
> of varied thrush !!!!
>
> Stuart
> --
> Stuart MacKay, Ravenna Ave NE, Seattle, WA 98105
> stuart at animal.blarg.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 11:19:17 PDT
> From: anamaria at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Rauch)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <9510061819.AA15819 at grinnell.Berkeley.EDU>
>
> It's not necessary to say explicitly "this is copyrighted" anymore.
> Distinguishing "information" from "opinion" is in the eye of the
> beholder. My information is your opinion. I would never use that
> criterion to determine whether or not I should cite a source. I would
> always cite the source.
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:03:24 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <9510061804.AA18454 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> >Will I satisfy the authors of postings if we put a credit in the article
> >such as "Thanks to those subscribers of Tweeters, a service for
> >birding-related topics on the Internet, for the use of their information on
> >this topic"?
> >
> >Comments please!
> >
> >Eric Greenwood
>
> I can only speak for myself, but it would certainly satisfy me. I assume
> you will be attributing specific comments to those who make them.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:16:26 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: oak woodlands and starlings
> Message-ID: <9510061817.AA20466 at mx4.u.washington.edu>
>
> > I don't really think that cavities are the limiting factor for
> >atfl but where the starlings do come in ...perhaps there are some many of
> >them looking of holes about the same size as the lewo ... and with the
> >lewo not being as agressive..well they lose out.
> > I am sure there ae other things i haven't thought of yet related
> >to this question...but that is it for now
> >
> >jennifer seavey
>
> Thanks for the info, Jennifer. Do you have any knowledge of whether
> starlings well away from human habitations are having the same effect on
> the Lewis' woodpeckers? Are the Lewis' digging their own holes or using
> those from last year? Did they just disappear from the area after the
> starlings had usurped their cavities?
>
> And another question. Where is this small colony of acorn woodpeckers? I
> had been thinking that the one at the mouth of the Klickitat River was
> defunct. Thanks again.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 11:34:06 PDT
> From: h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov (Herb Curl)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <1995Oct06.113406.281867 at hazmat.noaa.gov>
>
> I'm getting turned on by the Varied Thrush in NE Indian style with the
> Tweeters email address design concept.
>
> Herb Curl
>
> h.curl at hazmat.noaa.gov "You may be only young once but you can be
> Hazmat/NOAA, 7600 Sand Pt. Wy., NE immature the rest of your life."
> Seattle, WA 98115-0070
> (206) 526-6272
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 11:54:10 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <9510061854.AA02167 at picard.rational.com>
>
> Peter:
> >It's not necessary to say explicitly "this is copyrighted" anymore.
> >Distinguishing "information" from "opinion" is in the eye of the
> >beholder. My information is your opinion. I would never use that
> >criterion to determine whether or not I should cite a source. I would
> >always cite the source.
>
> Well, there's also the doctrine of fair use and a bunch of other
> details involved in determining whether or not one's copyright
> has been violated in any particular instance. For starters,
> the fact that you hold a copyright on your writings does not
> make all copying illegal, the law essentially spells out the
> conditions under which your permission must be obtained. There
> are uses for which your permission is not needed. There have
> been no court rulings regarding postings to internet mailing
> lists to my knowledge, though there has been one interesting
> slander suit based on mailings over the 'net.
>
> Rather than get into a big tangle over details which we don't
> understand can we all agree that the suggested mention of the
> source, plus attribution to the individual writing a particular
> post, is sufficient?
>
> I doubt if we're at much risk of financial loss due to unauthorized
> publishing of our profound daily musings...though perhaps we
> should be concerned about our collective reputation :)
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 12:02:52 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061902.AA02922 at picard.rational.com>
>
> Herb Curl:
> >I'm getting turned on by the Varied Thrush in NE Indian style with the
> >Tweeters email address design concept.
>
> I like this idea, too.
>
> Speaking of t-shirts, I know a couple of old Auduboners who did s
> couple of designs I liked a lot - subtle. One was a short-sleeved
> black t-shirt with "Agelaius phoeniceus" in brilliant red written
> on each sleeve.
>
> The other was "Egretta thula" written in black, on a white shirt
> with the base of the "t"s in "Egretta" extended and terminating
> in yellow (dare I say "golden"?) feet.
>
> Wearable bird quizzes!
>
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:36:37 -0700
> From: Serge Le Huitouze <serge at cs.sfu.ca>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510061936.AA11454 at maroilles.cs.sfu.ca>
>
> H. Clark writes:
> > I like the idea of the Varied thrush or eagles, crows or ravens as David
> > suggested. I object to Goldfinches who flap about saying " potato chip".
>
> > How about a Winter wren or canyon wren? Or "quick three beers"?
>
> I strongly object to the choice of the Winter Wren.
>
> What would I look like when I would show my WIWR T-shirt to my friends in
> France?
> They will say to me: "Oh yes, I had three nests in my backyard last year"
> Not very typical of North West Pacific....
>
> BTW, when look at a map of the Pacific, AK, BC, WA and OR seem to be in
> the North East part of the Pacific, but I suppose this has already been
> discussed :-)
>
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------
> A bird in the bush is better than two in the hand.
>
> Serge Le Huitouze Intelligent Software Group
> email: serge at cs.sfu.ca School of Computing Science
> tel: (604) 291-5423 Simon Fraser University
> fax: (604) 291-3045 Burnaby, B.C., V5A 1S6 CANADA
> http://www.isg.sfu.ca/~serge/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:40:46 -0700
> From: fredbird at halcyon.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: TV basics
> Message-ID: <199510062040.AA03112 at halcyon.com>
>
> I hesitate to interrupt (or unravel) the tweeters underwear thread, but I have
> a few fairly basic TV questions:
>
> 1. Do Turkey Vultures commonly migrate through western Washington?
>
> Im defining western Washington as the Puget Sound basin from Thurston County
> north to Whatcom, and including Kitsap. I know such migrations are common on
> the Olympic Pen., and I presume there is some kind of a migration east of the
> Cascades. I never recall seeing any such migration here (King County) before
> (25+ years). In fact, any sightings of TVs in western Washington are uncommon
> in my experience.
>
> 2. If this years large number of sightings is unusual, what may have caused
> this particular movement? Was it just that big weather front that moved south
> last weekend? Weather moving south (actually, a front shoving the weather
> south) through this area is, I believe, uncommon.
>
> Lastly, perhaps Diann MacRae (206-481-2797) should be brought into this
> discussion to take advantage of all the research shes done on the TV
> migration through the Olympic Pen. and the San Juans. Regrettably, I dont
> have time now to call her. Maybe next week.
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Fred Bird
> fredbird at halcyon.com
> 1249 NE 92nd Street Snohomish County Council staff
> Seattle, Washington 98115 206-388-3494
> 206-526-5671
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0700
> From: bcombs at ednet1.osl.or.gov (Barbara J. Combs)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: starlings & bluebirds in Oregon
> Message-ID: <199510062046.AA18639 at ednet1.osl.or.gov>
>
>
>
> Starling numbers for the 1961 Eugene CBC: 398.
>
>
> --
> Barbara Combs obie '70
> Eugene, OR
> bcombs at ednet1.osl.or.gov
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 13:52:08 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart.mackay at attws.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Party Time
> Message-ID: <199510062052.AA207202732 at lizard.nwest.mccaw.com>
>
> Well as a thank you to everyone who helped out at Montlake Fill clearing
> loosestrife I've decided to throw a party in your honour at my place.
>
> Everybody is welcome though - I'd like to make it a get together to
> collectively scratch our heads to see which direction we want to go in terms
> of maintaining the central pond at Montlake and to see what other things would
> be worth doing - I'm thinking long term here. It's obvious that some form of
> care and maintenance is required in order to prevent the place going to the
> dogs - quite literally !!!!
>
> In time-honoured tweeters tradition it will be a pot-luck. You supply the food
> and I'll supply the drink. Though you're welcome to bring some along as well !
>
> I was thinking next Friday night, though I'm open to suggestions, especially
> since it's relatively short notice. If that's inconvenient let me know I'd
> hate to leave anybody out.
>
> If your interested, let me know, I'd like to get an idea of numbers - if only
> to get the house fully insured !!!!!!
>
> The address is below, it's about 100 yards west of the SunSpot organic
> cuisine place on 25th Ave NE, northwest of Montlake Fill. Need directions let
> me know.
>
> Stuart
> --
> Stuart MacKay, 5200B Ravenna Ave NE, Seattle, WA 98105.
> tel: (206) 522 1855.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:09:29 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510062110.AA24190 at mx5.u.washington.edu>
>
> >Wearable bird quizzes!
> >
> >
> >- Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
> I could easily envision a t-shirt that was colored entirely like a bird
> body. Say, blue-gray on the back and orange on the front, with a black band
> across the chest. Getting too subtle?
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:09:33 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Seattle weather (fwd, OT [off topic])
> Message-ID: <9510062110.AA24212 at mx5.u.washington.edu>
>
> I won't give all the addresses through which this got forwarded, but on a
> nice, sunny afternoon such as this, I thought I'd send some news yet to
> come. For "Seattle" read "Vancouver" or "Portland" or just about anywhere
> else along the Northwest/Southwest coast.
>
> >>> >From the Silicon Rain Forest:
> >>>
> >>> Forwarded message:
> >>> > <forwards washed away by rain>
> >>> >
> >>> > What do you call two straight days of rain in Seattle?
> >>> > A weekend.
> >>> >
> >>> > What do you call four straight days of rain in Seattle?
> >>> > Bumbershoot.
> >>> >
> >>> > What do you call two weeks of rain in Seattle?
> >>> > Indian summer.
> >>> >
> >>> > What did the Seattle native say to the Pillsbury Doughboy?
> >>> > "Nice tan."
> >>> >
> >>> > A newcomer to Seattle arrives on a rainy day. She gets up the
> >>> > next day and it's raining. It also rains the day after that, and the
> >>> > day after that. She goes out to lunch and sees a young kid and,
> >>> > out of despair, asks, "Hey, kid, does it ever stop raining around
> >>> > here?" The kid says, "How do I know? I'm only 6."
> >>> >
> >>> > What's the definition of a Seattle optimist?
> >>> > A guy with a sun visor on his rain hat.
> >>> >
> >>> > Meteorological experts predicted a gargantuan flood that would
> >>> > destroy the world. The pope went on worldwide TV and said,
> >>> > "This is punishment from God. Prepare to meet your maker."
> >>> > The president went on national TV and announced, "Our scientists
> >>> > have done all they can. The end is near." The mayor of Seattle
> >>> > came on and said, "Due to inclement weather, this year's Seafair
> >>> > Parade will be moved to the top of Queen Anne Hill."
> >>> >
> >>> > "I can't believe it," said the tourist. "I've been here an entire week
> >>> > and it's done nothing but rain. When do you have summer here?"
> >>> > "Well, that's hard to say," replied the local. "Last year, it was on a
> >>> > Wednesday."
> >>> >
> >>> > What does daylight-saving time mean in Seattle?
> >>> > An extra hour of rain.
> >>> >
> >>> > It rains only twice a year in Seattle: August to April and May to July.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:26:11 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <9510062127.AA27354 at mx5.u.washington.edu>
>
> In belated answer to your comments about this group, Mike, I'd like to say
> a few words.
>
> I share entirely aspects of your attitude about calling a spade a spade and
> reserving the term "research group" for a group systematically conducting
> *and publishing* research. However, I know Bud Anderson and many of the
> people in the FRG quite well, and I can't think of the group as anything
> other than worthwhile. I'm willing not to quibble about the name because I
> think the intent is benign and constructive. To underscore my support for
> your viewpoint, however, next time I see Bud I'm going to try to pin him
> down about getting the annual Skagit Co. winter raptor census published.
>
> Bud has long been a teacher of things raptorous in this region, and he has
> turned on many, many people to birds of prey. I think there has been
> substantial education as well as edification, and I find nothing to
> criticise in that. The Washington Mutual Peregrine saga may have been a
> bit overblown at times, but I don't see anything harmful in that. I'll
> continue to try to use humor rather than criticism to combat the sometimes
> holier-than-thou attitude of raptor people (membership form for the Bushtit
> Research Bunch appended below).
>
> The work the FRG has done in placing and studying kestrel boxes in eastern
> WA is of definite value, notwithstanding the lack of publications appearing
> in journals. There are more kestrels nesting and more people knowledgeable
> about kestrels now. And the group has contributed tremendously to
> knowledge of Peregrine nesting and migration in the state, whether we
> question or not the hush-hush nature of a lot of it.
>
> For the dissemination of knowledge alone, I think the FRG deserves our
> support--not that I'm suggesting they get money from our t-shirt sales,
> which rightfully should be used for the tweeters endeavor (how about
> another African vacation, Dan?).
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: oak woodlands and starlings
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006152348.20025H-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> Is the Acorn Woodpecker site you mention the one just above the mouth of
> the Klickitat River? We had had no reports from there of Acorn
> Woodpeckers for the past three years. Maybe we just didn't look hard
> enough. Or is there another site. If so you may be the only person who
> knows about it!
>
> Gene Hunn.
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, J. Seavey wrote:
>
> >
> > I tried to reply yesterday to the discussion about starlings and
> > oak woodlands but my computer got the better of me...
> > I just spend 6 months doing point counts, banding, and nest
> > searches among the oak woodlands of Klickitat county. I have some
> > interesting observations about the starlings there.
> > The lewis woodpeckers (lewo) were definately hit hard by the
> > starlings. At the beginning of the breeding season (may) i observed lots
> > of lewo setting up territories and going in and out of cavities. They
> > are especially fond of the area around Catherine Creek and up the
> > Klickitat river canyon. But somewhere around june the starlings came in
> > and pushed the lewo out of the cavities they had claimed. The lewo
> > activity went down dramatically. The starlings were most common around
> > areas of development (no big surprise)- unfortunately i saw most of the
> > lewo also around these areas.
> > The starlings did not seem to affect other cavity nesters. The
> > acorn woodpeckers did not seem bothered- i did not observed any starlings
> > in their territory area. And this is werid because this area is located
> > along the columbia river gorge- accessable to the starlings.
> > The Ash-throated Flycatcher (the subject of my master's thesis
> > and therefore extensive nest searches and observations) were not affected
> > by the starlings either.
> > Both those species are very territorial when it comes to nest
> > area defense. The acwo have been established at there present site for
> > at least five years- perhaps turning the starlings away. The atfl are
> > very aggressive, coupled with the fact that the atfl prefer older pure
> > oak sites (which tend to be located further from people).
> > I don't really think that cavities are the limiting factor for
> > atfl but where the starlings do come in ...perhaps there are some many of
> > them looking of holes about the same size as the lewo ... and with the
> > lewo not being as agressive..well they lose out.
> > I am sure there ae other things i haven't thought of yet related
> > to this question...but that is it for now
> >
> > jennifer seavey
> > jseavey at u.washington.edu
> > u.washington- wildlife sciences group
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006152601.20025I-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> But presumably only east of the Cascade crest? West of the crest they
> seem to be confined to subalpine areas, no?
>
> Gene.
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, M. Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > After Dennis's message, I checked the BBA data, which show Towsend's
> > Solitaire nesting all along the lower treeline, with a confirmed nest from
> > Spokane (probably Dishman Hills area). I moved this map to our WWW
> > directory. You can access it this way:
> >
> > http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/myto.gif
> >
> > -------------
> > Michael R. Smith
> > Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> > whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> > http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jane Stewart <jstewart at wln.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9510061531.D57193-0100000 at rs6a.wln.com>
>
> I like the address idea too; but, not the gold and purple. Although it
> may seem like it; we are not all at the U Dub. ;-)js
>
> Jane Stewart
> Librarian
> Bogle & Gates
> Two Union Square
> 601 Union Street
> Seattle, WA 98101-2346
> Phone 206-682-5151
> Fax 206-621-2660
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Irene Wanner wrote:
>
> > Neat. Lower case! Goldfinch & loosestrife: gold & purple. (I'm back to
> > that pair again.) I mean, we ARE at u.washington! - Irene
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Ted Becker wrote:
> >
> > > How about adding in small print the tweeters Email address.
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jan Vafa <pendari at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006153732.78405A-100000 at homer11.u.washington.edu>
>
>
> > The t-shirt should have a little chip embedded in it that you can rub
> > whenever you want to hear a VATH sing.
> >
> > Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> > Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> > University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> > Tacoma, WA 98416
>
> OOOOH yes!!!
>
> Jan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee) 'n "UDUB"
> Message-ID: <199510062244.PAA06939 at wolfe.net>
>
> At 10:04 AM 10/6/95 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >
> >Also, if there are surplus funds after the sales, supporting the
> >hardware/software of our tweeters' list is probably the best use.
>
> How would this occur? Does the UDUB take donations or something for use of
> their servers?
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Scott Ray Washington Birder Newsletter
> Yakima, WA PO Box 191
> email: scray at wolfenet.com Moxee, WA 98936
> http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:56:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jane Stewart <jstewart at wln.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Ownership of Information
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9510061537.B99573-0100000 at rs6a.wln.com>
>
> *Electronic style, A Guide to citing electronic information*, Xia Li and
> Nancy B. Crane, Mecklermedia, CT, 1993
>
> Finally something I know something about. js
>
> Jane Stewart
> Librarian
> Bogle & Gates
> Two Union Square
> 601 Union Street
> Seattle, WA 98101-2346
> Phone 206-682-5151
> Fax 206-621-2660
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Peter Rauch wrote:
>
> > You should actually get permission from the author of the write-ups, if
> > you're going to be proper about it. This topic has been discussed many
> > times in other forums, esp ones on copyright; the conclusion is usually
> > the above, both for courtesy and copyright reasons (although I don't
> > recall what the conclusions about the _validity_ of copyright arguments
> > were; the ones about courtesy are pretty obvious). I don't believe
> > there is any implied consent specified in the tweeters welcome message.
> > The issue of copying part/all of a message into a reply on the same
> > forum is obviously not following the same "ask permission" protocol.
> >
> > If you are asking, not about copying the entire messages, but only
> > quoting/citing facts/data from those messages, then I believe the
> > arguments are that you cite the message just as if it were any other
> > published document. There are recommendations about how to cite
> > electronically published matter, such as discussion list messages, in
> > one of the more well-known "how to cite literature" books (whose
> > authors/title I can't recall offhand). It does include the author's
> > name, date posted, place posted, and probably the subject line and
> > maybe more.
> > Peter
> >
> > Eric said, among other things:
> >
> > >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:38:24 -0700
> > >From: egreenw at helix.net (Eric Greenwood)
> >
> > >WBT puts out a magazine/newsletter for its members and I've provided some
> > >copies of the postings about Purple Martins from Tweeters to the editor for
> > >an article on this subject. Now the question arisies as to the ownership of
> > >the information.
> >
> > >Are there any guidelines regarding the use of information from Tweeters
> > >postings in publications?
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:12:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006161227.18235A-100000 at homer31.u.washington.edu>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Eugene Hunn wrote:
> > But presumably only east of the Cascade crest? West of the crest they
> > seem to be confined to subalpine areas, no?
>
> Yes, in my earlier post I should have made that clear.
> -------------
> Michael R. Smith
> Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "M. Smith" <whimbrel at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Lapland Longspur at Fill
> Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951006161456.18235D-100000 at homer31.u.washington.edu>
>
>
> Hi tweets, just a brief note, I found a Lapland Longspur at the Fill
> today, about 3:45. It's freshly molted, the feathers are *immaculate*.
> Very nice looking bird. It was on the trail closest to the lake, due
> south of the central pond. A Green Heron was on the pond. The plumage
> is winter female.
>
> -------------
> Michael R. Smith
> Univ. of Washington, Seattle
> whimbrel at u.washington.edu
> http://salmo.cqs.washington.edu/~wagap/mike.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:19:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "D. Victor" <dvictor at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: re: FRG + another African vacation
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006160912.14369J-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Dennis Paulson wrote:
>
> > For the dissemination of knowledge alone, I think the FRG deserves our
> > support--not that I'm suggesting they get money from our t-shirt sales,
> > which rightfully should be used for the tweeters endeavor (how about
> > another African vacation, Dan?).
>
> Zowie! I'm packing already. It's amazing how much money can be raised
> this way ;-) What a great idea, Dennis!
>
> Dan Victor, Seattle, WA <dvictor at u.washington.edu>
> Tweeters = http://weber.u.washington.edu/~dvictor/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:25:08 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart at animal.blarg.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <199510062325.QAA13614 at animal.blarg.net>
>
> I suppose if we want to take the UW thing to extremes , how about a purple
> shirt with a goldfinch motif made out of dog hair. Dennis' microchip could
> alternatively bark and twitter. The 'scratch 'n sniff' idea works well into
> this scheme, but I'd think it would be prudent to leave that bit out !!!!
>
> Stuart
>
> PS Sof far next Friday (Oct 13th) is OK with everybody. Starting about 6.30 to
> 7 pm. I'll finalise details over the weekend.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 16:39:14 PDT
> From: jbroadus at seanet.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <Chameleon.4.01.2.951006164244.jbroadus at .seanet.com>
>
>
> >On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Eugene Hunn wrote:
> >> But presumably only east of the Cascade crest? West of the crest they
> >> seem to be confined to subalpine areas, no?
> >
> >Yes, in my earlier post I should have made that clear.
> >-------------
> >Michael R. Smith
>
> My original posting referred to a sighting south of Mineral, see DeLorme page
> 47, near Mineral Creek, on a logging road in the Murray Pacific Tree Farm.
> Name: Clarice Clark
> jbroadus at seanet.com
> 901-16th. St S.W.
> Puyallup, Wa. 98371
> 206-845-3156
> Time: 20:18:56
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 16:42:54 -0700
> From: Stuart MacKay <stuart.mackay at attws.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: No Loosestrifing this weekend & A confession !!!!
> Message-ID: <199510062342.AA002282978 at lizard.nwest.mccaw.com>
>
> Well since the central pond is sort of finished there won't be any "official"
> work parties this weekend. Not that I'm stopping any free enterprise however.
>
> Work is still going on, even though I had 'announced' the completion of
> pulling. We (well John Hebert, Susan Collicot and myself) decided to finish
> off the south end - couldn't resist it (more of which later). And now they are
> doing some maintenance ripping out the root clumps we missed first time
> around and I'm taking a machete to the tangle of loosestrife and nighshade
> which is choking the weeping willows on the NW side.
>
> I have a confession to make - I'm addicted to 'environmental restoration'. I
> spend all day thinking about getting down to the Fill to do some more work -
> I'm not kidding, honest. Any budding psychiatrists out
> there ??? It may have something to do with endorphines. I know joggers get
> addicted to running, perhaps my body doesn't feel right until I'm bordering on
> exhaustion. Weird I know, but it's great for the figure. I've lost more
> weight in three months of pulling than I ever did in six months of jogging
> 30-40 miles a week !!!!!!
>
> Depending on how CUH want to play it. The broom and blackberries are next.
> Can't wait to get started.
>
> Stuart
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 16:50:07 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Seattle weather (fwd, OT [off topic])
> Message-ID: <9510062350.AA25512 at picard.rational.com>
>
> >>> > "Hey, kid, does it ever stop raining around
> >>> > here?" The kid says, "How do I know? I'm only 6."
>
> This reminds of a true story (I know it's true, it involved me).
> In 1982 I spent three weeks in Australia, including about 8-9 days
> in the Red Center, which is about as dry on average as that big
> salt desert I get to look at every sunrise when off to band
> hawks.
>
> When I was there, it hadn't rained for roughly five years. It
> rained for the first time several months after our return, and
> of course I read newspaper accounts.
>
> Included was a touching story of a kindergarten teacher in
> Alice Springs taking her young students outdoors during the
> rains. She explained that they'd never seen rain before...
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 16:43:27 PDT
> From: jbroadus at seanet.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <Chameleon.4.01.2.951006165355.jbroadus at .seanet.com>
>
>
>
> >
> >Bud has long been a teacher of things raptorous in this region, and he has
> >turned on many, many people to birds of prey. I think there has been
> >substantial education as well as edification, and I find nothing to
> >criticise in that. The Washington Mutual Peregrine saga may have been a
> >bit overblown at times, but I don't see anything harmful in that. I'll
> >continue to try to use humor rather than criticism to combat the sometimes
> >holier-than-thou attitude of raptor people (membership form for the Bushtit
> >Research Bunch appended below).
> >
> >The work the FRG has done in placing and studying kestrel boxes in eastern
> >WA is of definite value, notwithstanding the lack of publications appearing
> >in journals. There are more kestrels nesting and more people knowledgeable
> >about kestrels now. And the group has contributed tremendously to
> >knowledge of Peregrine nesting and migration in the state, whether we
> >question or not the hush-hush nature of a lot of it.
> >
> >For the dissemination of knowledge alone, I think the FRG deserves our
> >support--
>
> As a relatively new birder in these ranks I want to second these comments. I
> have learned a lot from Anderson and I admire his teaching ability. He has,
> in my opinion, an excellent ability to get people interested both in
> identifying raptors and in learning something about their behaviour. I
> greatly value the few trips and classes I have been exposed to. He does take
> some kidding about being "raptorcentric", of course.
>
> As far as research goes-- what about the hours of video they have of the WAMU
> peregrines? I assume they are still cataloguing it, but I would think it
> will be of research value. Of course, we may feel that the main value of the
> Seattle Peregrine stuff is simply that it may raise someone's awareness of
> the world out there, but we also all know that consciousness raising is
> (perhaps unfortunately) essential in today's climate.
>
> My imperfect understanding-- based on answers to a few questions I have
> asked-- is that the status of peregrines and getting the permits makes one
> wary of releasing much information.
> -------------------------------------
> Name: Jerry Broadus
> jbroadus at seanet.com
> 901-16th. St S.W.
> Puyallup, Wa. 98371
> 206-845-3156
> Time: 20:18:56
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jon Anderson <anderjda at dfw.wa.gov>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951006113119.19737A-100000 at galadriel>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Eugene Hunn wrote:
>
> > How about a Tufted Puffin?
>
> Although I tend to be a seabird fanatic, and would *love* a tufted puffin
> tee (long-sleve) - (It's the finest-looking puffin IMHO, so why do all
> the graphic artists go with the Atlantic and Horned puffins?) - I believe
> we should consider that a good share of us Tweeters are east-siders who
> don't share the hypersaline influence of the coast/Straits/Sound.
>
> I'd go with Raven, (or Bushtit?) as a pan-"Cascadian" representative of
> our avifauna. The Varied Thrush would make a great-looking tee, but they
> tend to be pretty scarce in the Palouse part of 'our' range...
>
> Goldfinches live everywhere, and don't indicate to me that I'm in the
> Northwest. And (sorry), I have no ties to that big university up in
> Seattle.... :-)
>
> Perhaps we need some good artists to work up a few designs and someone to
> place some drafts of graphics ideas on-line (Don's already got our
> beautiful visages available for the world to see), and if we can't make
> the next picnic, we can all at least have a say in the design? Just a
> thought.
>
> Jon. Anderson
> Olympia, WA
> anderjda at dfw.wa.gov
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 17:02:05 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510070002.AA26353 at picard.rational.com>
>
> Stuart:
> >I suppose if we want to take the UW thing to extremes , how about a purple
> >shirt with a goldfinch motif made out of dog hair.
>
> Leave it to the Scots to wear a hair shirt while winter birding in
> their kilts with nothing on underneath.
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 17:22:42 -0700
> From: donb at Rational.COM (Don Baccus)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510070022.AA27919 at picard.rational.com>
>
> Jon:
> >I'd go with Raven, (or Bushtit?) as a pan-"Cascadian" representative of
> >our avifauna. The Varied Thrush would make a great-looking tee, but they
> >tend to be pretty scarce in the Palouse part of 'our' range...
>
> >And (sorry), I have no ties to that big university up in
> >Seattle.... :-)
>
> Yes you do - "tweeters"!
>
> I think a Udog-appropriate bird makes sense as our list only exists
> because of the generosity of the University and a couple of folks
> who are part of that community. And, of course, we Oregonians
> are well aware that "tweeters" is UW's only redeeming feature :)
>
> Susan Colicott has access to a scanner so perhaps she could arrange
> to scan designs so we could all take a look-see, and perhaps someone
> else in Seattle does as well. At worst, they could be mailed to me
> and I could scan 'em.
>
> - Don Baccus, Portland OR <donb at rational.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Stan Ray <stanray at WOLFE.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <199510070034.RAA11737 at wolfe.net>
>
> At 04:43 PM 10/6/95 PDT, Jerry Broadus wrote:
>
> >
> >My imperfect understanding-- based on answers to a few questions I have
> >asked-- is that the status of peregrines and getting the permits makes one
> >wary of releasing much information.
>
> Protecting breeding falcons is important, but it seems like there are plenty
> of data that could be published that would not further endanger these birds
> like information about movements, numbers, and general breeding information.
>
> For example what is the breeding status for Merlin in southern BC and WA?
> Have Merlins ever bred in WA?
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Scott Ray Washington Birder Newsletter
> Yakima, WA PO Box 191
> email: scray at wolfenet.com Moxee, WA 98936
> http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Eastside Surf Scoters
> Message-ID: <199510070039.RAA11883 at wolfe.net>
>
>
> Yesterday, there was still one male Surf Scoter near the Vantage bridge and
> a restless female near Ginko State Park campground that kept flying back and
> forth while I was scanning the huge rafts of ducks there.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Scott Ray Washington Birder Newsletter
> Yakima, WA PO Box 191
> email: scray at wolfenet.com Moxee, WA 98936
> http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:52:28 -0800
> From: dpaulson at ups.edu (Dennis Paulson)
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <9510070053.AA26738 at mx5.u.washington.edu>
>
> Scott Ray wrote:
>
> >For example what is the breeding status for Merlin in southern BC and WA?
> >Have Merlins ever bred in WA?
>
> >From what I have heard, there are a lot of breeding Merlins in southern BC
> (see Birds of BC for whatever has been published). The record for
> Washington is mostly word of mouth, not published. I have heard that there
> have been around 3 or 4 nests found in Washington. Try to find out the
> exact details, and you get raptoround by a cloud of dissemblement. I've
> been told about a few of them, and sworn to secrecy; don't ask, don't tell.
> When I have been asked, I have answered "at least a few, but maybe a lot
> more, for all I know."
>
> "Taiga" Merlins (Falco c. columbarius) should breed in the high mountains
> along the northern border of the state. Roger Lake looks like just the
> sort of place. "Black" Merlins (Falco columbarius suckleyi) should breed
> in the forests of the western WA lowlands. There's no doubt they are quite
> rare as breeding birds, but they're also very quiet around the nest and
> could be missed.
>
> Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> Tacoma, WA 98416
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951006180612.20832A-100000 at goshawk.csrv.uidaho.edu>
>
>
>
> >
> > > The t-shirt should have a little chip embedded in it that you can rub
> > > whenever you want to hear a VATH sing.
> > >
> > > Dennis Paulson, Director phone: (206) 756-3798
> > > Slater Museum of Natural History fax: (206) 756-3352
> > > University of Puget Sound e-mail: dpaulson at ups.edu
> > > Tacoma, WA 98416
>
> sounds like star-spangled tie that i have that plays the star spangled
> banner.
>
> dale
> moscow
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dale Goble <gobled at uidaho.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951006181238.20832D-100000 at goshawk.csrv.uidaho.edu>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Jon Anderson wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Eugene Hunn wrote:
> >
> > I'd go with Raven, (or Bushtit?) as a pan-"Cascadian" representative of
> > our avifauna. The Varied Thrush would make a great-looking tee, but they
> > tend to be pretty scarce in the Palouse part of 'our' range...
>
>
> au contraire -- the varied thrushes greet me every spring morning -- that
> is, in fact, how i know its spring: when the thrush begin to "sing"
>
> dale
> moscow
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:16:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eugene Hunn <hunn at u.washington.edu>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.91j.951006181623.20025Q-100000 at carson.u.washington.edu>
>
> A pair seemed to be nesting at the Hoh visitor center in the mid 1980s.
>
> Gene.
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Stan Ray wrote:
>
> > At 04:43 PM 10/6/95 PDT, Jerry Broadus wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >My imperfect understanding-- based on answers to a few questions I have
> > >asked-- is that the status of peregrines and getting the permits makes one
> > >wary of releasing much information.
> >
> > Protecting breeding falcons is important, but it seems like there are plenty
> > of data that could be published that would not further endanger these birds
> > like information about movements, numbers, and general breeding information.
> >
> > For example what is the breeding status for Merlin in southern BC and WA?
> > Have Merlins ever bred in WA?
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________________________
> > Scott Ray Washington Birder Newsletter
> > Yakima, WA PO Box 191
> > email: scray at wolfenet.com Moxee, WA 98936
> > http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:07:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Ray <scray at WOLFE.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: First attempt at a Tweeters logo...
> Message-ID: <199510070407.VAA18273 at wolfe.net>
>
> For those with Netscape or Mosaic web browers, check out the first brave
> attempt at a logo for tweeters.
>
> http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/tweeters.html
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Scott Ray Washington Birder Newsletter
> Yakima, WA PO Box 191
> email: scray at wolfenet.com Moxee, WA 98936
> http://www.wolfenet.com/~scray/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 00:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: STEPNIEWSKI at delphi.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Townsend's Solitaire
> Message-ID: <01HW50B99EMA921U2E at delphi.com>
>
> All these postings on solitaires reminds me to invite all Tweets to check out
> the National Geographic painting of this marvelous songster on p. 324 of the
> National Geographic field guide. In my opinion, its one of the finest
> portrayals of a solitaire. Check it out!
>
> Thinking of song, the sweet flutings of a solitaire high overhead (as larks do)
> is one of the finest mountain experiences one can have. Another opinion!
> Andy Stepniewski
> Wapato WA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 00:17:20 -0400 (EDT)
> From: STEPNIEWSKI at delphi.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Falcon Research Group
> Message-ID: <01HW50JQXM94921U2E at delphi.com>
>
> My only experience with breeding season Merlins in WA was of a male flapping
> wildly (perhaps in a display flight) over tall oldgrowth south of Randle on the
> road to Mt. Adams - in late June a few years ago. It was near dusk...the bird
> looked very much like the Bat Falcon of the tropics in the gathering darkness.
> Theres a secret out of the bag for everyone...
> Andy Stepniewski
> Wapato WA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Fiedler <fiedlerf at wln.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: subscribe
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9510062112.B35825-0100000 at rs6a.wln.com>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 23:52:06 -0700
> From: Susan Collicott <camel at serv.net>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Design? (Re: Tweeters tee)
> Message-ID: <9510070652.AA10082 at zebu.serv.net>
>
>
> Don sez:
>
> >Susan Colicott has access to a scanner so perhaps she could arrange
> >to scan designs so we could all take a look-see, and perhaps someone
> >else in Seattle does as well. At worst, they could be mailed to me
> >and I could scan 'em.
>
> I'd be happy to scan images. The scanner is a top-of-the-line high resolution
> color scanner, so there should be little degredation.
>
> Give me a holler if you have a design you want scanned.
>
> Susan Collicott
> camel at serv.net
> Seattle, WA
>
> ------------------------------
>
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