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Don C. asked -

>>>>>>>
I have had what I believe to be a Townsend's Big-eared Bat spending the
occasional day in my tool shed. It is most often found suspended from
the ceiling and it has always been found alone. I believe it is a male
due in part to its solitary nature and secondly I recall having read
something about the shape of some part of the ear that was a clue to
sex. I have taken slides of the bat that are as of yet undeveloped. I
am curious to know more about this species but have found very little
literature. I understand that this species reaches its northernmost
(known) limit of its range here on mid-Vancouver Island. I was
particularly surprised to note that it was still present as recent as
Sept. 19. My understanding is that this is a migratory species however
I do not have any dates offered for migration times.

>>>>>

Don, your best bet is to contact Dave Nagorsen at the Royal BC Museum in
Victoria. He is the bat expert in the province. According to his book
"Bats of B.C." which he wrote with Mark Brigham in 1993 (highly
recommended - ISBN 0-7748-0482-3), there are records for this species as
far north as near Williams Lake. And this is one of the few bat species
which hibernates in B.C. The closest hibernaculum to you is on Thetis
Island, with a more famous one just inside of the old copper mine shaft
on the north shore of Kamloops Lake. Normal winter temperature at this
site is -4 Celsius!

- Jack

Jack Bowling
Prince George, BC
jcbowling at mindlink.bc.ca

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<A HREF="#2319723">Re: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise -Reply</A> 
<A HREF="#23184916">Stokes Birdwatching on PBS</A> 
<A HREF="#23175631">Re: Yellow-billed Loons</A> 
<A HREF="#23174513">Re: Stokes Birdwatching Program (fwd)</A> 
<A HREF="#23174045">Re: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise</A> 
<A HREF="#23173937">Townsend's Big-eared Bat</A> 
<A HREF="#23173859">Townsend's Big-eared Bat</A> 
<A HREF="#23171758">Re: Loon Question</A> 
<A HREF="#23171652">Re: Early Snow Goose (was: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend, etc)</A> 
<A HREF="#23171245">list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise</A> 
<A HREF="#23145551">San Juans birding 9/17-9/20</A> 
<A HREF="#23125735">oops</A> 
<A HREF="#23124959">Re: El Nino and BC/Yukon weather</A> 
<A HREF="#2312158">[SEABIRD:619] El Nino updates 4, 22 September 1994 4, 22 September </A> 
<A HREF="#2312943">Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
<A HREF="#2312744">Cancel Tweeters</A> 
<A HREF="#23114141">Re: Good Afternoon at Spencer Island 9/21</A> 
<A HREF="#23111513">Re: Greys Marsh, Sequim Area</A> 
<A HREF="#23104855">Yellow-billed Loons</A> 
<A HREF="#23101031">Re: Good Afternoon at Spencer Island 9/21</A> 
<A HREF="#2353222">Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
<A HREF="#2341446">DEET (was: Re: Chiggers)</A> 
<A HREF="#23412">Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
<A HREF="#2335143">Re: Loons with yellow bills.</A> 
<A HREF="#2333148">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#233201">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#2321343">Early Snow Goose (was: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend, etc)</A> 
<A HREF="#2314757">Re: Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
<A HREF="#2313957">Re: was chiggers now fat bellied stogie suckers</A> 
<A HREF="#2312346">Spencer Isl and Everett SP</A> 
<A HREF="#231948">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#231737">Sharp shinned hawk(s)</A> 
<A HREF="#230156">Re: Stokes Birding Series</A> 
<A HREF="#230144">Re: Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
<A HREF="#22231322">Re: Arrival dates</A> 
<A HREF="#22225558">Cruising with a peregrine</A> 
<A HREF="#22223634">Re: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend: 19-21 September 1997</A> 
<A HREF="#22221423">was chiggers now fat bellied stogie suckers</A> 
<A HREF="#22211938">Acorn Woodpeckers in Michigan? (fwd)</A> 
<A HREF="#2221441">Greys Marsh, Sequim Area</A> 
<A HREF="#2221021">Re: Butterflies, not birds</A> 
<A HREF="#2219536">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22191439">Wrist bands, dramamine</A> 
<A HREF="#22191045">Stokes Birding Series</A> 
<A HREF="#2219431">7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
<A HREF="#22184632">Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
<A HREF="#2218441">Re: Ruby-crowned Kinglet</A> 
<A HREF="#22182927">Butterflies, not birds</A> 
<A HREF="#2218233">Re: Loons with yellow bills.</A> 
<A HREF="#22181652">Costa Rica info</A> 
<A HREF="#2218166">Re: Yellow-billed Loon</A> 
<A HREF="#2217463">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22173118">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#221782">new book</A> 
<A HREF="#22153556">Re: Long Beach bird kill</A> 
<A HREF="#2215268">Montserrat Orioles in trouble</A> 
<A HREF="#2215422">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22142321">Peregrine story</A> 
<A HREF="#22141643">Re: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend: 19-21 September 1997</A> 
<A HREF="#2213224">Re: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22131036">Victoria-Port Angeles ferry</A> 
<A HREF="#2212528">RE: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22124322">Re: Juno email</A> 
<A HREF="#22123637">Juno email</A> 
<A HREF="#22123512">Re: Long Beach bird kill</A> 
<A HREF="#2212321">Othello/Moses Lake</A> 
<A HREF="#22123028">RE: Chiggers</A> 
<A HREF="#22115414">SAS program for students</A> 
<A HREF="#22113253">Re: Jack Bowling and Michael Price</A> 
<A HREF="#22112242">Re: Arrival dates</A> 
<A HREF="#2211225">Re: Costa Rica</A> 
<A HREF="#2211052">Turkey Vultures on the move</A> 
<A HREF="#22105911">Re: Ocean Shores Vicinity</A> 
<A HREF="#22104620">Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend: 19-21 September 1997</A> 


<A NAME="2319723">Subject: Re: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise -Reply</A> 
From: "Kelly A. Bettinger" <BETTIKAB at dfw.wa.gov> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:10:14 -0800
<pre>
Will put you on the list - thanks!

>>> "LIBOR MICHALAK" <pieris at netidea.com> 09/23/97 10:39am >>>
I would be interested in participating in your study. I have been studying
Pine Siskins in the Kootenays as I am a bander in BC.

Additionally, I am conducting a MAPS station in the Creston Valley
wetland
area with an emphasis on the warbler passerines during migration,
primarily
Audubon's Warbler and its demography in the area.

Libor Michalak
Kokanee Forest Consulting Ltd.
907 Tenth St.
Nelson BC
V1L 3C9
250-352-1615
email: pieris at netidea.com

----------
> From: Kelly A. Bettinger <BETTIKAB at dfw.wa.gov>
> To: obol at mail.orst.edu; tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise
> Date: September 23, 1997 6:15 PM
>
> Hi OBOL & Tweeters:
>
> I am compiling a list of people with expertise in individual bird
species,
> bird species groups, or monitoring methods for two different projects.
>
> The first is for the Monitoring subcommittee of the Oregon/Washington
> chapter of Partners in Flight. This list would be made available over
the
> PIF web page and mailed to land managers throughout the two states
> with the idea that managers could contact folks on the list to chat about
> species life history, management, habitat needs, surveys etc. A very
> casual commitment.
>
> The second is for the Oregon/Washington Species-Habitat Project.
> People on this list would potentially be contacted to review our bird
> species matrices and maybe fill in some blank spots in our knowledge
of
> life history, management effects, habitat use or habitat structure use
> (everything from snags and canopy cover to ponds and emergent
> vegetation, etc.). This would either be done by bringing folks together
as
> a group to review groups of species and/or by having species on a
web
> page and inviting folks to review it there.
>
> We are looking for people with expertise (extensive field work,
research
> or study) for all bird species in Oregon and Washington, breeders and
> non-breeeders, and all habitats including marine. I say this just to
> emphasize that this effort is covering more than the usual westside
> forest habitats! Folks don't need to live in OR/WA, and knowledge of
> species in B.C., northern Calif, Idaho is close enough. If interested in
> being on one or both lists (PIF list or Species-Habitat Project list),
please
> e-mail me your name, affiliation, address, phone number, e-mail
address,
> and area of expertise. This can be one individual species or a species
> group, and be in specific geographic areas and with certain survey
> methods. Examples: eastern OR/WA grassland birds, shorebirds,
> swans, dippers in the Cascades, banding at Hart Mountain etc. Please
> feel free to nominate any "experts" you know of who are not on OBOL
> or Tweeters. For nonminees, names will not be released without their
> consent.
>
> Thank you in advance! Deadline for responding is October 31, 1997.
>
> Kelly A. Bettinger
> Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
> Habitat Management Program
> Species-Habitat Project
> 600 Capitol Way North
> Olympia, WA 98501-1091
> 360-902-2604
> bettikab at dfw.wa.gov

</pre>

<A NAME="23184916">Subject: Stokes Birdwatching on PBS</A> 
From: "G.Spitler/L.Cannon" <gspitler at awinc.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:48:27 -0700
<pre>
For the rural folks with satellite dishes, the Stokes Birdwatching program is on PBSX(the national feed) for 13 weeks, beginning Saturday, October 4 at 10:00amPDT. This better be one heck of a program with all this anticipation.
Gail Spitler
Johnsons Landing, BC
gspitler at awinc.com

</pre>

<A NAME="23175631">Subject: Re: Yellow-billed Loons</A> 
From: Streiffert <streif at televar.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:49:51 -0700
<pre>
Eugene Hunn wrote:
"I have several times nearly got caught out calling an immature
Double-crested Cormorant a Yellow-billed Loon and have suffered
momentary confusion with Red-necked Grebes. It is essential to know more
of the observers experience and the circumstances of the sighting to be
sure."

Gene: You are right to be cautious. They were loons, for sure, and not
cormorants (I've made that mistake, and learned from it) or grebes, of
that I am sure. As far as loon species, I've certainly got some
learning to do. You mention favoring "a combination of bill color,
shape, size, position plus the tannish plumage tone and the dark ear
patch on wintering Yellow-billeds." What are some of the signs you look
for? The loon, as I mentioned in a post today, I saw had a bright
yellow bill, and was in a "bright" plumage, too.

</pre>

<A NAME="23174513">Subject: Re: Stokes Birdwatching Program (fwd)</A> 
From: Jacquelyn Owens <jeo2 at u.washington.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
<pre>
I sent e-mail to channel Nine (KCTS) and got this response, so they are
listening, but if they air the program it won't be until January.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:06:56 PST
From: rawlw at kcts.org
To: Jacquelyn Owens <jeo2 at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Stokes Birdwatching Program

Thank you for your interest in KCTS/9.

Channel 9 creates its broadcast schedules a month
and a half in advance and, unfortunately,
"BirdWatch with Don and Lillian Stokes" is not
scheduled to air in that time. The programming
department has informed me that this program is
being considered for broadcast, but it will most
likely be January before it is aired on Channel 9.
I will forward your request that this program be
aired on to our programming department, who review
and rely on viewer input when making future
programming decisions..

Thank you for writing.

</pre>

<A NAME="23174045">Subject: Re: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise</A> 
From: "LIBOR MICHALAK" <pieris at netidea.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:39:43 -0400
<pre>
I would be interested in participating in your study. I have been studying
Pine Siskins in the Kootenays as I am a bander in BC.

Additionally, I am conducting a MAPS station in the Creston Valley wetland
area with an emphasis on the warbler passerines during migration, primarily
Audubon's Warbler and its demography in the area.

Libor Michalak
Kokanee Forest Consulting Ltd.
907 Tenth St.
Nelson BC
V1L 3C9
250-352-1615
email: pieris at netidea.com

----------
> From: Kelly A. Bettinger <BETTIKAB at dfw.wa.gov>
> To: obol at mail.orst.edu; tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise
> Date: September 23, 1997 6:15 PM
>
> Hi OBOL & Tweeters:
>
> I am compiling a list of people with expertise in individual bird
species,
> bird species groups, or monitoring methods for two different projects.
>
> The first is for the Monitoring subcommittee of the Oregon/Washington
> chapter of Partners in Flight. This list would be made available over
the
> PIF web page and mailed to land managers throughout the two states
> with the idea that managers could contact folks on the list to chat about
> species life history, management, habitat needs, surveys etc. A very
> casual commitment.
>
> The second is for the Oregon/Washington Species-Habitat Project.
> People on this list would potentially be contacted to review our bird
> species matrices and maybe fill in some blank spots in our knowledge of
> life history, management effects, habitat use or habitat structure use
> (everything from snags and canopy cover to ponds and emergent
> vegetation, etc.). This would either be done by bringing folks together
as
> a group to review groups of species and/or by having species on a web
> page and inviting folks to review it there.
>
> We are looking for people with expertise (extensive field work, research
> or study) for all bird species in Oregon and Washington, breeders and
> non-breeeders, and all habitats including marine. I say this just to
> emphasize that this effort is covering more than the usual westside
> forest habitats! Folks don't need to live in OR/WA, and knowledge of
> species in B.C., northern Calif, Idaho is close enough. If interested in
> being on one or both lists (PIF list or Species-Habitat Project list),
please
> e-mail me your name, affiliation, address, phone number, e-mail address,
> and area of expertise. This can be one individual species or a species
> group, and be in specific geographic areas and with certain survey
> methods. Examples: eastern OR/WA grassland birds, shorebirds,
> swans, dippers in the Cascades, banding at Hart Mountain etc. Please
> feel free to nominate any "experts" you know of who are not on OBOL
> or Tweeters. For nonminees, names will not be released without their
> consent.
>
> Thank you in advance! Deadline for responding is October 31, 1997.
>
> Kelly A. Bettinger
> Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
> Habitat Management Program
> Species-Habitat Project
> 600 Capitol Way North
> Olympia, WA 98501-1091
> 360-902-2604
> bettikab at dfw.wa.gov

</pre>

<A NAME="23173937">Subject: Townsend's Big-eared Bat</A> 
From: dcecile at mail.sd70.bc.ca (Don Cecile) 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:37:42 +1200
<pre>
For those who might be interested, or who may know of someone this message
may interest:

I have had what I believe to be a Townsend's Big-eared Bat spending the
occasional day in my tool shed. It is most often found suspended from the
ceiling and it has always been found alone. I believe it is a male due in
part to its solitary nature and secondly I recall having read something
about the shape of some part of the ear that was a clue to sex. I have
taken slides of the bat that are as of yet undeveloped. I am curious to
know more about this species but have found very little literature. I
understand that this species reaches its northernmost (known) limit of its
range here on mid-Vancouver Island. I was particularly surprised to note
that it was still present as recent as Sept. 19. My understanding is that
this is a migratory species however I do not have any dates offered for
migration times.

Any bat people out there?

cheers,

Don Cecile
dcecile at cln.etc.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="23173859">Subject: Townsend's Big-eared Bat</A> 
From: Don Cecile <dcecile at cln.etc.bc.ca> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:37:40 +1200
<pre>
For those who might be interested, or who may know of someone this message
may interest:

I have had what I believe to be a Townsend's Big-eared Bat spending the
occasional day in my tool shed. It is most often found suspended from the
ceiling and it has always been found alone. I believe it is a male due in
part to its solitary nature and secondly I recall having read something
about the shape of some part of the ear that was a clue to sex. I have
taken slides of the bat that are as of yet undeveloped. I am curious to
know more about this species but have found very little literature. I
understand that this species reaches its northernmost (known) limit of its
range here on mid-Vancouver Island. I was particularly surprised to note
that it was still present as recent as Sept. 19. My understanding is that
this is a migratory species however I do not have any dates offered for
migration times.

Any bat people out there?

cheers,

Don Cecile
dcecile at cln.etc.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="23171758">Subject: Re: Loon Question</A> 
From: Streiffert <streif at televar.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:11:33 -0700
<pre>
I've reading the loon discussion that my question started with
interest. M. Price asked: What plumage do you think this bird was in?
How would you describe it?

It had a bright yellow bill, and it's plumage seemed bright, too. It
had those fetching loon speckles. I haven't mastered the art of plumage
i.d. yet. The Yellow-billed loon was with a more confusing loon... on
the second one, the bill seemed a lot darker, and the plumage seemed
muddier. They both swam far away when we got back with the scope, so it
was rather frustrating. They were doing a behavior I hadn't seen
before. They were putting just their heads in the water and scoping
along. They looked like they were skimming the surface to feed, with
their heads completely under water.
Kristi Streiffert
Coulee Dam

</pre>

<A NAME="23171652">Subject: Re: Early Snow Goose (was: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend, etc)</A> 
From: "Andy Stepniewski" <steppie at wolfenet.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:18:09 -0700
<pre>
Tweets,

I didn't think that a report of a Snow Goose 19 Sept would garner all the
attention it did, so I didn't add the comment this particular goose has
been there since spring according to a hunter/"birder" who stopped to chat
with us at Bowerman, evidently an employee at the airport. He seemed to
know the waterfowl, so I guess we can believe this bit of info. Maybe an
injured bird?

I also forgot to state that we also saw the Cattle Egret on Wenzel Slough
Rd off Keys Rd just south of Hwy 12, according to Bill Tweit, one of the
earliest in fall in the Pac NW.

I also should mention I can't count. I say 120 species in the original post
to Tweetsville, but the total was actually126. "It's not the Okanogan...
(oops, I keep forgetting you Westsiders outnumber the Eastside contigent).

Andy Stepniewski
Wapato WA

----------
> From: Michael Price <mprice at mindlink.bc.ca>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Early Snow Goose (was: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend, etc)
> Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 11:16 PM
>
> Hi Tweets,
>
> Ruth Sullivan writes:
>
> >hi mchael,
> >respondig about the lone snow goose on bowerman basin.we had a lone snow
> >goose in ocean shores with a flock of canada goose on july
26.1996.listen
> >to the expert birders, it isn't so unusualy to see this birds at such
early
> >date.
>
> Ruth, it was from an expert that I got that little snippet. When I made
the
> suggestion, I wasn't expressing a personal opinion, but suggesting a
strong
> possibility based on one of the things discovered by a team of Russian,
> Canadian and American scientists who have been studying Snow Geese for
the
> last decade.
>
> And there aren't many people here much more familiar with Snow Goose
> migration patterns than John Ireland, the manager of the Reifel Refuge,
> where they get more Snow Geese in October and November than hell can
hold.
> He's been an expert bird surveyor in the UK and the S Pacific, and has
> worked with the scientific team in radio-tracking the Snow Goose
migration
> of the various Arctic populations to and between their various wintering
> territories, checking yearly productivity of young and monitoring their
> movements between Reifel and Westham Islands and the Skagit Delta each
> winter. If you want to know more about Snow Geese in Vancouver BC and
> northern WA, he's one of the best sources of information you could
possibly
> have. Given that he has one of the dryest, most deadpan senses of humor
on
> the planet, listening to him expound on birds is a treat.
>
> A bird in July is obviously a layover from the northbound migration it
> couldn't join for whatever reason. A single bird in late September is
*very*
> likely to be one of these early 'scouts', as they're known, that migrate
a
> couple of weeks ahead of the main migration. This early, I'd put money on
it
> being an arrival bird.
>
> Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
> Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
> mprice at mindlink.net

</pre>

<A NAME="23171245">Subject: list of OR/WA folks w/ species expertise</A> 
From: "Kelly A. Bettinger" <BETTIKAB at dfw.wa.gov> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:15:26 -0800
<pre>
Hi OBOL & Tweeters:

I am compiling a list of people with expertise in individual bird species,
bird species groups, or monitoring methods for two different projects.

The first is for the Monitoring subcommittee of the Oregon/Washington
chapter of Partners in Flight. This list would be made available over the
PIF web page and mailed to land managers throughout the two states
with the idea that managers could contact folks on the list to chat about
species life history, management, habitat needs, surveys etc. A very
casual commitment.

The second is for the Oregon/Washington Species-Habitat Project.
People on this list would potentially be contacted to review our bird
species matrices and maybe fill in some blank spots in our knowledge of
life history, management effects, habitat use or habitat structure use
(everything from snags and canopy cover to ponds and emergent
vegetation, etc.). This would either be done by bringing folks together as
a group to review groups of species and/or by having species on a web
page and inviting folks to review it there.

We are looking for people with expertise (extensive field work, research
or study) for all bird species in Oregon and Washington, breeders and
non-breeeders, and all habitats including marine. I say this just to
emphasize that this effort is covering more than the usual westside
forest habitats! Folks don't need to live in OR/WA, and knowledge of
species in B.C., northern Calif, Idaho is close enough. If interested in
being on one or both lists (PIF list or Species-Habitat Project list), please
e-mail me your name, affiliation, address, phone number, e-mail address,
and area of expertise. This can be one individual species or a species
group, and be in specific geographic areas and with certain survey
methods. Examples: eastern OR/WA grassland birds, shorebirds,
swans, dippers in the Cascades, banding at Hart Mountain etc. Please
feel free to nominate any "experts" you know of who are not on OBOL
or Tweeters. For nonminees, names will not be released without their
consent.

Thank you in advance! Deadline for responding is October 31, 1997.

Kelly A. Bettinger
Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
Habitat Management Program
Species-Habitat Project
600 Capitol Way North
Olympia, WA 98501-1091
360-902-2604
bettikab at dfw.wa.gov

</pre>

<A NAME="23145551">Subject: San Juans birding 9/17-9/20</A> 
From: "Michael Hobbs" <MJCT_Hobbs at classic.msn.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 18:52:35 UT
<pre>
I led an Elderhostel birding trip into the San Juans last week, and I wanted
to pass on a few of our sightings. We had 91 species total in three days of
cruising around the islands and taking some short hikes. We never ventured
into any of the large straits; we stayed in calm waters.

Pacfic Loon 30+, many with pearly-grey heads
White-winged Scoter Only 4, compared with dozens of Surfs
Red-breasted Merganser About 40 near Roche Harbor
Northern Bobwhite At Deer Harbor. Are these established?
Baird's Sandpiper One on Sucia
Red-necked Phalarope Perhaps 100
Parasitic Jaeger At least six, mostly light-phase adults
Bonapartes Gull Abundant, also Heerman's, Mew, Cal., RB
Common Murre Over 100, almost all in basic plumage
Pigeon Guillemot 200+
Marbled Murrelet 50+ - very pretty
Rhinoceros Auklet 200+
Ruby-crowned Kinglet 1, Sucia
Hermit Thrush Several, all over
Varied Thrush Several, mostly on Sucia
Yellow-rumped Warbler Several on Sucia
Fox Sparrow 1 at Deer Harbor
Lincoln's Sparrow 1 at Deer Harbor
Golden-crowned Sparrow Abundant
White-crowned Sparrow Abundant

I did not see any Red-throated Loon, Brandt's Cormorant, nor (alas) any
Ancient or Cassin's Auklets.

== Michael Hobbs
== Kirkland WA
== MJCT_Hobbs at msn.com

</pre>

<A NAME="23125735">Subject: oops</A> 
From: Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:55:38
<pre>
Sorry about the repeat post. Somehow the fingers got crossed on the key
boards trying to save a few web addresses and Bob's post went out the door.
Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com>
Port Townsend, WA, USA

</pre>

<A NAME="23124959">Subject: Re: El Nino and BC/Yukon weather</A> 
From: Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:48:33
<pre>
Thank you, Jack, for your excellent synopsis of El Nino history in B.C.

Another term used to describe "La Nina" conditions, or those opposite to
El Nino, is "El Viejo," or "the old one." I've seen that used more and
more by oceanographers.

Excellent El Nino web pages exist. One in particular I recommend to
anyone on the West Coast, with many links to other El Nino pages, is
www.nws.mbay.net/elnino.html. They have updated sea surface temperature
maps for the northeastern Pacific every few days, as far north as the
southern Queen Charlottes, at www.nws.mbay.net/sst2.gif. The map for
9/19/97, for instance, showed some cooling occurring off the Oregon and
BC coasts compared with the previous several weeks, with apparent
"tongues" of coastal upwelling along the west coast of Vancouver Is. and
Cape Blanco, Oregon. Check it out.

Bob Boekelheide
Sequim

Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com>
Port Townsend, WA, USA

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<A NAME="2312158">Subject: [SEABIRD:619] El Nino updates 4, 22 September 1994 4, 22 September </A> 
From: Scott Richardson <RICHASAR at dfw.wa.gov> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:17:11 -0800
<pre>
Here's a brief update on El Nino updates...

Because of concerns about the growing size of the reports on
ENSO 1997, we have moved it to a homepage:

http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~sustain/ENSO.html

which is maintained by Peter J. BRYANT
<PJBRYANT at uci.edu>, at the the Interdisciplinary Minor in
Global Sustainability at the University of California, Irvine.

If you wish to receive the report and do not have access to
the Web, please let me know, as we will continue to send the
report directly to those who request it.

</pre>

<A NAME="2312943">Subject: Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
From: Diane de Ryss <deryssmacon at halcyon.com> 
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 09:24:09 -0700
<pre>
Don Cecile wrote:
>
>
> I thought I might relate the more significant sightings of the morning of
> Sept. 21.

Don:

You didn't mention in your message where you were. Where were you?

Diane de Ryss, Seattle
deryssmacon at halcyon.com

</pre>

<A NAME="2312744">Subject: Cancel Tweeters</A> 
From: "Jan" <execintl at mail.olypen.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:49:59 +0000
<pre>
Cancel Tweeters

</pre>

<A NAME="23114141">Subject: Re: Good Afternoon at Spencer Island 9/21</A> 
From: ravenn at premier1.net 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:46:38 +0000
<pre>
Wes,
I saw two Red-tailed Hawks on Spencer Island yesterday and one
Northern Harrier.

Yvonne
ravenn at premier1.net

</pre>

<A NAME="23111513">Subject: Re: Greys Marsh, Sequim Area</A> 
From: Norton360 at aol.com 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
Graysmarsh is a large private estate between Sequim Bay and Dungeness
bordering on the Strait. It is closed to public access except to pick beries
at the U Pick section and about a half mile of beach running south from
Jamestown Beach. The beach section is usually open but is closed during much
or all of hunting season and when the family (I believe it is the Simpson
timber family) is visiting. The family has given permission for the area to
be censused for the CBC and the North American Migrant Census. Since I have
lived here, Scott Atkinson has done the censusing.
The beach can be accessed at the end of Wilcox Road off Woodcock Road.
There is a tiny parking access road at the end where three cars could park if
they pulled to the side but usually one car blocks the entire access. You can
then walk south. There is a sign with a map of the area the public can use.
There is a good border of shrubs and bushes and a conifer grove to the south
which is birdy and the far end of the stretch looks out over the marsh. Last
year a number of Short-eared Owls were there for awhile but you cannot enter
the marsh area itself so that is frustrating. The marsh is a series of ponds
developed as a duck hunting area. The one time the Smiths got permission to
enter and took me in the early summer it was loaded with the usual marsh
birds and had some that were locally unusual.
Bob Norton
Joyce, WA

</pre>

<A NAME="23104855">Subject: Yellow-billed Loons</A> 
From: Eugene Hunn <hunnhome at accessone.com> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
<pre>
Eugene Hunn, Seattle, hunnhome at accessone.com

Just another thought on the loon id thread. Two words in the report "I saw a
yellow-billed loon" seem problematical. First, "yellow." What shade of
yellow? It seems we sometimes say "yellow" when we really mean "pale."
Common Loons may have variously pale bills, but I've never seen one with a
"yellow" bill. Of course, most Yellow-billed Loons I've seen have not had
yellow bills either, rather a yellower shade of pale, perhaps. I still favor
a combination of bill color, shape, size, position plus the tannish plumage
tone and the dark ear patch on wintering Yellow-billeds. The other
problematical word in the report is "loon." I have several times nearly got
caught out calling an immature Double-crested Cormorant a Yellow-billed Loon
and have suffered momentary confusion with Red-necked Grebes. It is
essential to know more of the observers experience and the circumstances of
the sighting to be sure.

Gene.

</pre>

<A NAME="23101031">Subject: Re: Good Afternoon at Spencer Island 9/21</A> 
From: Wes Jansen <wjansen at u.washington.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
<pre>
Chris, did you notice the distinct lack of red-tailed hawks? The last
two or three times I've been up there, I saw no red-tails but many
northern harriers.

wjansen

</pre>

<A NAME="2353222">Subject: Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
From: mprice at mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Price) 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:34:44 -0700
<pre>
Hi Tweets,

Don Cecile writes:

>soon afterward, I began hearing "che-beck" off in the distance...hmmm sounds
>like Least Flycatcher.

Definitely advantage Least. The very fact you're hearing it "in the
distance" suggests Least, rather than Hammond's: that 'BEK' component is *loud*.

>Of course this species is very rare on the coast,
>and I am not sure that there are any records for Vancouver Island (perhaps
>Michael has some data?)

If memory serves me '-) In vol 3 of Campbell's Birds of BC, there's a
number of records for Vancouver Island shown: 3 non-breeding from the E side
from Nanaimo south all in the Jun-Jul-Aug sector of the record's seasonal
wheel, one breeding record at Victoria in the same period, and one
non-breeding record in the Mar-Apr-May sector from Bamfield or Port Renfrew.
Campbell goes on to say: "...in the Southern Interior Mountains, birds may
be found as late as mid-September...On the coast, the Least Flyctacher has
been recorded from 4 May to 1 September, etc."

> I
>did not get a look at the entire bill but the base was yellow and fairly
>broad.

Advantage Least.

>The amount of yellow seen was significant and no dusky or dark areas
>were present

That would tend to eliminate a Hammond's, but not Dusky, bill pattern,
wouldn't it?

>however I can not confirm that the yellow extended to bill tip.
>(this could lead one to think that perhaps it was a young Hammond's-perhaps
>even more likely at this late of a date, however would a young Hammond's be
>singing?).

Do juvenile empids sing? Don't think so. A juv Hammond's wouldn't be giving
a 'che-beck' call in any case.

>very dry sounding (less sneezy or insect-like than Hammond's)certainly
>disyllabic with accent on the second syllable and the first syllable is of
>higher pitch.

Least has a very hard, abrupt call; that second syllable is snapped out
'sseBEK' and often repeated several times in quick succession, unlike most
of the western empids who seem content to call/sing once and let it go at
that for a minute or two before the next utterance. A singing male Least can
really motormouth.

Hammond's 'se-birk' is gruffer, and doesn't have the carrying power of the
Least's song.

>Habitat also points toward Least vs. hammond's and I should note that I have
>never had a Hammond's flycatcher in this area, even when they are abundant.

I'm not competent to comment on this point, but can say that the few Leasts
I've seen here on the coast have always been in mature deciduous stands of
either black cottonwood or big-leafed maple, and one was in a mature stand
of large alders at the S end of the Iona Causeway.

All in all, Don, I think the details--song, observed bill shape and
color--you have posted suggest Least more than any similar empid, but
suggest is all they do. I'd encourage you to write it up formally as a
possible so there's a record, even if it remains a 'pssible' at best. Then
twenty years up ahead, when the pattern of visitation and migration of Least
Flycatcher to Vancouver Island is clearer, particularly in relation to
Hammond's, your observation can be re-assessed according to the light of
that knowledge.

Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
mprice at mindlink.net

</pre>

<A NAME="2341446">Subject: DEET (was: Re: Chiggers)</A> 
From: mprice at mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Price) 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:17:03 -0700
<pre>
Hi Tweets,

Michael Price writes:

>> And be *very* careful not to apply DEET in high concentrations: it's been
>> implicated in neurological damage. Not sure what the recommended upper
limit
>> is, somewhere around 30% concentration, I *think*.

Jack Bowling replies:

>HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Believe me, when being consumed by a cloud of
mosquitoes
>and black flies, the last bloody thing you care about is nerve damage! Basic
>survival comes first...

That's for sure, and that's what I thought, but after a summer doing bird
surveys in those clouds of biters and before I knew about this, I used an
85% to 100% solution. The manufacturer put nothing on its packaging to
indicate that it was either necessary or recommended to dilute it.

It wasn't until I saw a CBC program on it a couple years later and a couple
of people interviewed who described the effects that I realised why I had
suddenly that summer developed an inability to control how I formed certain
sounds. My 'r's and 'l's in particular became very difficult. *Extremely*
frustrating when a word like 'parallel' I'd been pronouncing clearly all my
life suddenly turned into a real battle to utter because the muscles of my
tongue refused to work properly. The problem has moderated some over the
last year or so, and I've got most of those sounds back.

Ain't *no* laughs left for me there. DEET's nothing to take for granted or
minimise.

Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
mprice at mindlink.net

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<A NAME="23412">Subject: Re: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
From: jcbowling at mindlink.bc.ca 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:02:58 PST
<pre>
Don Cecile wrote -

>>>>
Eventually it moves close enough that I can get a real look at it. One
problem, it is largely hidden by leaves (and shortly afterward, it flew off
into the maple trees). I was however, able to get glimpses of it but the
best feature that I could see was the underside of the lower mandible. I
did not get a look at the entire bill but the base was yellow and fairly
broad. The amount of yellow seen was significant and no dusky or dark areas
were present however I can not confirm that the yellow extended to bill tip.
(this could lead one to think that perhaps it was a young Hammond's-perhaps
even more likely at this late of a date, however would a young Hammond's be
singing?). As far as I can figure, if the bird is not a Least Flycatcher,
then I would have mistaken its song for a Hammond's, but would a Hammond's
have so much yellow under its bill? would a Hammond's have such a broad base
to its bill, seems to me their bill is always darker and more narrow.
<<<<<

Welcome back, Don! Short answer is: let it go as a fall empid!

A Hammond's bill is the narrowest and tiniest of all our empids. It is unlikely to
be seen as being broad at the base at any time. However, this is better
appreciated with some familiarity with other empids. Shading and color of the
underside of the bill varies too much to be diagnostic, especially with hatch year
birds which tend to have paler bills than adults.

>>>>>
I would have liked to have seen the bird in its entirety. More often I
complain of seeing empids that refuse to call, here I should be content with
having heard the bird but really wish I could have seen more detail. As
far as song goes, I describe it as: very dry sounding (less sneezy or insect-like
than Hammond's)certainly disyllabic with accent on the second syllable and the
first syllable is of higher pitch. Habitat also points toward Least vs. hammond's
and I should note that I have never had a Hammond's flycatcher in this area, even
when they are abundant.
<<<<<

The only two empids with disyllabic calls in which the first syllable *may seem*
to be higher-pitched than the second are Dusky and Hammond's. Again, people's ears
differ in how they hear the harmonics which affects how they hear the pitch of the
calls. However, Least Flycatcher *do* have a "dry" sounding call. I'm afraid there
is no way you are ever going to know for sure, Don, unless you track the bird
down, net it, and take some measurements of wing chord, bill, and tail. As for the
possibility of Least Flycatcher on Van. I., Vol. 3 of _Birds of B.C._ shows four
non-breeding and one breeding record (breeding record looks like it was around
Victoria). So it leaves the realm of the impossible and enters into the possible.

- Jack

Jack Bowling
Prince George, BC
jcbowling at mindlink.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="2335143">Subject: Re: Loons with yellow bills.</A> 
From: mprice at mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Price) 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:54:04 -0700
<pre>
Hi Tweets,

Bob Norton, writes:

(snip)
> Last year when we had a YBLO at Sequim Bay from January to April we also
>had a lot of loons with yellow bills. On one occasion I counted 4 inside the
>marina at one time with two of them a living room distance away. To me they
>looked yellow and they surely looked yellow to several birders I encountered
>over the course of the birds stay who helpfully pointed out COLO's with
>yellow bills to me thinking they were YBLO
(snip)

If you're absolutely sure of this, Bob, then I can only suggest that you and
the other observers write up a paper on this multiple occurrence of
yellow-billed Common Loons (Gavia immer). This is the first instance of this
unusual pigmentation I've ever heard of in this species, and may be
something new to our knowledge of these birds--if it doesn't turn out to be
someone's study technique to be dyeing these birds' bills yellow to track
them (a yellowish cast could be old, faded picric acid staining). Or maybe
hybridism is possible in a location where the two species actually do come
into contact, and you've discovered a wintering area of previously unknown
YBLOxCOLO hybrids from that hybrid zone. If so, and if the same birds
reappear this year, I'd suggest you get detailed and numerous photographs or
video of them if you possibly can, and as well as adding them as a
supplement and update to your paper, scan them onto the Web. Keep us posted.

>. . It was obvious that this first
>chasable YBLO in some years had led a number of birders to put imposters on
>their list. I certainly agree that most of the light billed COLO's are more
>ivory.
>I also agee that if an adult banana bill is seen it is unmistakable.
>As so often, it is the immatures that cause the confusion. In short I see
>quite a number of COLO's with bills I would call yellow and I am convinced
>other people call them yellow and even call them YBLO's.

Ain't that the way, though? Hate to think of the many times in overeagerness
I mis-ID'ed COLO before seeing my first YBLO. Well, a combination of things
there. First, there just wasn't the useful ID material then there is now.
Had it been present, jumping the gun would have been eliminated except for
the hardest of the problematical Common Loons.

Secondly, locally, there was so much damn implicit *pressure* within the
community from the leadership on down to find the rarer bird. A birder was
defined by the number of rarities he'd found, the quality of--usually
his--ID skills and the extent of his list(s), nothing else. It was
diamond-clear that much greater glory and acceptance into the inner circle
would fall on the head of the person who located the rarity than one who saw
and understood the difficult context posed by the resident Commons. Since
they were the experts, and this was how they did things, we entry- and
intermediate-level birders thought that was how it was done everywhere, and
we internalised and acted according to the requirements and dynamics of the
Cult of the Rarity rather than a solid understanding of the other 95%,
because that's how the modelling went. At one point, I actually started
hating rare birds because I'd spend so much time looking for them and they
were never bloody *there*. '-) Seriously, though, in spite of it comic
aspects. Now I realise that was a first step in the expression of a healthy
rebellion against an absurdly distorted, hypercompetitive system that had
more to do with establishing a male dominance hierarchy than enjoying birds.

Oh yeah. 'Ivory' in re loon bill-color is usually referred to as 'old
ivory'--that is, a slightly yellowed cream-white. A more accurate term would
be 'pale butter-yellow'. Where the Yellow-billed bill is at its palest, it
is still a warm white, not the steely cold hue of white on a Common's bill.

>I have no other problems with your detailed post, Michael.

That's gratifying, Bob; I'd rather resolve problems than cause them.

Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
mprice at mindlink.net

</pre>

<A NAME="2333148">Subject: Re: Chiggers</A> 
From: jcbowling at mindlink.bc.ca 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:33:41 PST
<pre>
>
> And be *very* careful not to apply DEET in high concentrations: it's been
> implicated in neurological damage. Not sure what the recommended upper limit
> is, somewhere around 30% concentration, I *think*.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! Believe me, when being consumed by a cloud of mosquitoes
and black flies, the last bloody thing you care about is nerve damage! Basic
survival comes first...

- Jack

Jack Bowling
Prince George, BC
jcbowling at mindlink.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="233201">Subject: Re: Chiggers</A> 
From: wings at olympus.net 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:34:00 -0800
<pre>
Sorry, Tweets, but I can't let this one pass without comment --

>Hey! A Chigger Bit Me (from the Internet)

>Mites can be found all over the Earth, on land and in water and on all
>types of creatures, even insects. Chiggers are a type of mite, and
>mites, like spiders and scorpions are not insects. They are arachnids.
[snip]
>a grassy meadow, chiggers will spot you. They have claws at the ends of
>their six legs that they use to attach themselves to you.
[snip]
>The URL of this page is http://KidsHealth.org/kid/games/chigger.html

Has anyone told the manager(s) of this website that *insects* have 6 legs,
and arachnids have 8?

-- Janet Hardin
Port Townsend, WA
wings at olympus.net

</pre>

<A NAME="2321343">Subject: Early Snow Goose (was: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend, etc)</A> 
From: mprice at mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Price) 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:16:01 -0700
<pre>
Hi Tweets,

Ruth Sullivan writes:

>hi mchael,
>respondig about the lone snow goose on bowerman basin.we had a lone snow
>goose in ocean shores with a flock of canada goose on july 26.1996.listen
>to the expert birders, it isn't so unusualy to see this birds at such early
>date.

Ruth, it was from an expert that I got that little snippet. When I made the
suggestion, I wasn't expressing a personal opinion, but suggesting a strong
possibility based on one of the things discovered by a team of Russian,
Canadian and American scientists who have been studying Snow Geese for the
last decade.

And there aren't many people here much more familiar with Snow Goose
migration patterns than John Ireland, the manager of the Reifel Refuge,
where they get more Snow Geese in October and November than hell can hold.
He's been an expert bird surveyor in the UK and the S Pacific, and has
worked with the scientific team in radio-tracking the Snow Goose migration
of the various Arctic populations to and between their various wintering
territories, checking yearly productivity of young and monitoring their
movements between Reifel and Westham Islands and the Skagit Delta each
winter. If you want to know more about Snow Geese in Vancouver BC and
northern WA, he's one of the best sources of information you could possibly
have. Given that he has one of the dryest, most deadpan senses of humor on
the planet, listening to him expound on birds is a treat.

A bird in July is obviously a layover from the northbound migration it
couldn't join for whatever reason. A single bird in late September is *very*
likely to be one of these early 'scouts', as they're known, that migrate a
couple of weeks ahead of the main migration. This early, I'd put money on it
being an arrival bird.

Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
mprice at mindlink.net

</pre>

<A NAME="2314757">Subject: Re: Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
From: Allyn Weaks <allyn at cornetto.chem.washington.edu> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:51:05 -0700
<pre>
At 8.00 PM -0700 22/9/97, Tom Schooley wrote:

>The only chiggers in WA ride chiggerbikes. These devils roar around
>pleasant outdoor areas making it almost as unbearable as any biting bug.
>Is there a salve to eliminate this pest?

Caltrops?

Allyn Weaks allyn at u.washington.edu
allyn at cornetto.chem.washington.edu
Pacific Northwest Native Plant Gardening:
http://chemwww.chem.washington.edu/natives/

</pre>

<A NAME="2313957">Subject: Re: was chiggers now fat bellied stogie suckers</A> 
From: mprice at mindlink.bc.ca (Michael Price) 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:42:05 -0700
<pre>
Bwahahaaa! Good ones!

>Bloom County (the cartoon) ran a series where the "animals" go hunting.
(snip)

M

</pre>

<A NAME="2312346">Subject: Spencer Isl and Everett SP</A> 
From: ravenn at premier1.net 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:28:56 +0000
<pre>
Hi all,
Today I spent the morning on Spencer Island with an Internet Birding
Friend from California and Margie Palmer and had a great time watching
Peregrines hunt and feed. We saw at least two separate individuals and
probably a third bird while birding from the cross dike. Last Friday
while I was on the island I observed Barn Swallows mobbing every raptor
including Kingfishers (I know,its not a raptor in the technical sense of
the word). Today showed me why these swallows were so intent on driving
off birds of prey since today I watched the Peregrines feeding on Barn
Swallows. One immature male carried its catch to a nearby tree and tore
it to shreads while we watched through a scope. The catch was
definitely a barn swallow. We watched on two other occasions as
Peregrines carried very small catches to a perch to eat. Once we
watched as a chase occurred with one larger Peregrine pursued a smaller
one in and among the trees in an attempt to steal its prey. A Northern
Harrier also joined in on the chase but neither bird succeeded.
The rest of our list includes:
Pied-billed Grebe
Eared Grebe
Horned Grebe
Great Blue Heron
Canada Goose
Wood Duck
Green-winged Teal
Mallard
Northern Pintail
Northern Shoveler
Gadwall
American Wigeon
Northern Harrier
Cooper's Hawk
Red-tailed Hawk
Peregrine Falcon
Virginia Rail (Heard)
Sora
American Coot
Greater Yellowlegs
Long-billed Dowitcher
Franklin's Gull
Bonaparte's Gull
Mew Gull
Ring-billed Gull
Glaucous-winged Gull
Mourning Dove
Vaux's Swift
Belted Kingfisher
Downy Woodpecker
Hairy Woodpecker
Northern Flicker
Violet-green Swallow
Barn Swallow
American Crow
Black-capped Chickadee
Brown Creeper
Marsh Wren
American Robin
American Pipit
Cedar Waxwing
European Starling
Yellow-rumped Warbler
Common Yellowthroat
Spotted Towhee
Savannah Sparrow
Fox Sparrow
Song Sparrow
Lincoln's Sparrow
White-crowned Sparrow
Red-winged Blackbird
Purple Finch
House Finch
American Goldfinch

Last Friday I birded the same area and birds not seen today included:
Red-breasted Sapsucker
Nashville Warbler
Bewick's Wren
Black-headed Grosbeak
Merlin
Probable American Kestrel
Golden-crowned Sparrow

Also for those of you who were aware that the Everett Sewage Ponds were
closed to birders because of construction, I found out today that they
have been reopened just in time for us to start sorting through all of
those Boneparte Gulls. We saw two Franklins mixed in today but could
not locate a Little Gull that Chris Hill reported earlier.
Good Luck and Good Birding
Yvonne
ravenn at premier1.net

</pre>

<A NAME="231948">Subject: Re: Chiggers</A> 
From: Suiebill2 at aol.com 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
Hi,
The definition of poaching comes to mind when I read this about bow hunting
from moving vehicle.
Bill

</pre>

<A NAME="231737">Subject: Sharp shinned hawk(s)</A> 
From: Suiebill2 at aol.com 
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:09:19 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
Hi,
It seemed to be my wife's and my weekend to see these birds. Yesterday
afternoon at Dungeness spit we stopped at the warden's house to look at birds
at the feeder and we found a covee of california quail feeding under the
feeder as well as at the feeder itself. they appeared nervous and only a
couple of minuts after we started watching them, a sharp shinned hawk swooped
down on them and they fled back into the undergrowth. The sharp shinned hawk
flew off into the nearby trees empty handed ( clawed?).
Later that afternoon, we were in the holding area at the Port Townsend ferry
and I was watching some house sparrows in some blackberries and could not
beleive what I was seeing as another sharp shinned hawk dived into the
blackberries and scattered the sparrows.
I could hardly credit getting two close ups of this bird.
Other wise quite an uneventful weekend.
We did see +/- 40 red-necked phalaropes as we crossed on the ferry on
Saturday from Edmonds to Kingston.
At the 3 Crabs restaurant on Sunday there was 300 american wigeon along the
shore.
Many thanks to all who have responded to the Costa Rica thread. Cannot wait
to see the chiggers. Whilst I lived in Africa, we had a similar pest that
burrowed into the skin and then hatched there and when ready ate its way out
of your skin.
In order to overcome this, we had to iron all clothes that had been left out
to dry.
If infected the only cure was to apply vaseline over the blighter, cap with a
band aid and after a couple of days it would die and the band aid drew it
out.
Thanks,
Bill
Siuebill2 at aol.com

</pre>

<A NAME="230156">Subject: Re: Stokes Birding Series</A> 
From: ravenn at premier1.net 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:20:25 +0000
<pre>
We are still trying to get the Stokes Birding Series aired on the
Seattle PBS station KCTS. You may call them at 1-800-443-9991 or you
may write to: KCTS TV
401 Mercer St.
Seattle, Wa. 98109
The program director is Kay Ingram. Please let them know that you think
this program is one which you would like to see on PBS.

Yvonne Bombardier
Everett, Wa
ravenn at premier1.net

</pre>

<A NAME="230144">Subject: Re: Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
From: "Tom Schooley" <dunlin at mail.tss.net> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:00:28 -0700
<pre>
The only chiggers in WA ride chiggerbikes. These devils roar around
pleasant outdoor areas making it almost as unbearable as any biting bug.
Is there a salve to eliminate this pest?

Tom Schooley, Olympia WA , dunlin at mail.tss.net

----------
> From: Norton360 at aol.com
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Treatment of chigger bites.
> Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 3:48 PM
>
> My favorite treatment is an over the counter cortisone type cream.
Coming
> from southern Iowa I had a lot of encounters with them. We used to put a
> thick layer of bar soap on them (we had laundry bar soap at that time and
> that was the reccomended type) with some relief (better than Calamine).
> One day in chigger season I went into the notorious chigger
stronghold of
> the Patagonia Nature Conservancy property in SE AZ with pants in socks
and
> plenty of OFF. However, I wore canvas shoes, had forgotten to spay them
and
> woke up in camp that night with the backs of my feet seemingly on fire. I
put
> the cream (the only thing that I had in my toilet kit that seemed of any
> possible use) on the bites and shortly after that was able to sleep. A
> miracle! Shortly after that I got a copy of the FIELD GUIDE TO THE
DANGEROUS
> ANIMALS OF NORTH AMERICA and saw they reccommended that very treatment.
> My question is: Do we have them in WA? In Iowa in my youth the saying
was
> that there were no chiggers north of US 30. The only place during my
years in
> AZ that I heard of anyone encountering them was at the Patagonia
Sanctuary.
> Bob Norton
> Joyce, WA

</pre>

<A NAME="22231322">Subject: Re: Arrival dates</A> 
From: "Ruth Sullivan" <GODWIT at worldnet.att.net> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:54:12 -0700
<pre>
hi scott,
i agree comletly with you statement for the BEST source of information on
arrivals and departure.also where it is unusual to find certain species, is
our WASNEWS. I been copy our newsletter and sent it to a friend on the east
coast.

GODWIT at worldnet.att.net

----------
> From: S&C Richardson <salix at halcyon.com>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Arrival dates
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 1997 5:26 PM
>
> Nancy Taylor wrote:
> > >I would like to find more information on arrival and departure dates.
> > >The reference reading list in Wahl and Paulson refers to journals such
> > >as _American Birds_ and _Western Birds_, and gives the addresses to
> > >subscribe. Would either of these journals be appropriate for this
info?
>
> ...and Michael Price wrote (did he ever!) about record-keeping methods
that
> could lead to one's own database on arrivals and departures. But if
you're
> after immediate bird-movement-info gratification, you would do well to
seek
> compilations prepared by others.
>
> For Washington, the best source of information on arrivals, departures,
and
> occurrences is _WOSNews_, the newsletter of the Washington Ornithological
> Society. Russell Rogers combs lots of sources to prepare reports that
cover 2
> months at a time. Rarities certainly draw attention, but RR has been
careful to
> include other reports, too. Spring summaries might include report dates
for
> Violet-green Swallows from various locales, for example, allowing the
reader to
> get a good idea about what to expect when.
>
> The bi-monthly newsletter devotes about 3 of its 12 pages to "Washington
Field
> Notes." After collecting a year of newsletters, a year-ful of reports can
be at
> your fingertips.
>
> To answer Nancy's specific questions about American Birds and Western
Birds...
>
> American Birds is no longer. It shifted back to its (original?) name
_National
> Audubon Society Field Notes_, which soon will be taken over by the
American
> Birding Association (except for the CBC issue, which NAS will continue to
> publish). In whatever form it takes under ABA, it will be a useful
reference,
> but space limitations severely limit what goes in. You won't find swallow
dates
> in there, under normal circumstances.
>
> Western Birds is the journal of the Western Field Ornithologists and
publishes
> scientific articles but not bird records (except supreme rarities).
>
> Wahl and Paulson didn't slight WOSNews/Washington Ornithological Society
when
> compiling that list of references; the organization came into being after
their
> book was published.
>
> Membership in WOS is $20 annually ($25 for families) and includes several
other
> benefits. The nonprofit's address is: Washington Ornithological Society,
PO Box
> 31783, Seattle WA 98103.
>
> --
> Scott Richardson, WOSNews Editor
> northeast Seattle
> salix at halcyon.com

</pre>

<A NAME="22225558">Subject: Cruising with a peregrine</A> 
From: Janet Carroll <jrc at pop.seanet.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:45:26 -0700
<pre>
While all the rest of you were out on great birding trips this weekend,
I had other obligations. But I did have one experience that lifted my
birding spirits. I was driving up Marine View Drive in Everett heading
north and just to my right a peregrine falcon few into view. The falcon
and I cruised along at a speed of between 35 and 40 mph with the falcon
flying just front of me over the trees along the road. We traveled this
way for about a mile before the falcon banked to the left and headed out
to Jetty Island. Ah, the simple pleasures.

And then there are the aggrevations. There are rafts of ducks now on
the west side of Jetty Island. Late in the afternoon on Sunday I could
see two jet skiers zooming into the rafts having great fun, I assume,
harassing the ducks.

I prefer to think about the peregrine.

--
Janet Carroll
Everett WA
jrc at jrc.seanet.com
--------------------------------------------------------
"The frog never drinks up the pond in which it lives."
--------------------------------------------------------

</pre>

<A NAME="22223634">Subject: Re: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend: 19-21 September 1997</A> 
From: "Ruth Sullivan" <GODWIT at worldnet.att.net> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:03:23 -0700
<pre>
hi mchael,
respondig about the lone snow goose on bowerman basin.we had a lone snow
goose in ocean shores with a flock of canada goose on july 26.1996.listen
to the expert birders, it isn't so unusualy to see this birds at such early
date.

GODWIT at worldnet.att.net

----------
> From: Michael Price <mprice at mindlink.bc.ca>
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: Fw: Grays County Harbor weekend: 19-21 September 1997
> Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 11:18 AM
>
> Hi Tweets,
>
> Andy Stepniewski writes:
>
> >Also there were a lone Snow and
> >White-fronted Goose.
>
> Found out last year that Snow Geese typically migrate first in one's and
> two's, then en masse a week or two later. If this bird hadn't been a
> hanger-on since the northbound migration in April, I'd suggest this may
be
> the first southbound migrant Snow for 1997.
>
> Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
> Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
> mprice at mindlink.net

</pre>

<A NAME="22221423">Subject: was chiggers now fat bellied stogie suckers</A> 
From: Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:14:42
<pre>
Way off topic but funny and bird names are used.

>Rick Romea wrote:
> Actually, somebody was telling me about a recent trip into the cascades
> where they saw some guys bow-hunting from inside a moving mini-van with the
> sliding door open, beers in hand...where does the species fit in indeed?

Bloom County (the cartoon) ran a series where the "animals" go hunting.

Panel one: two hunters are in a bunch of grass. Guns, binocs, cigars.
Hunter one:"Sure would like to bag a 'coon, Luke. Or 'possum. Maybe a
woodchuck. How 'bout you, Luke?"
Hunter two:"Anything. I want anything."

Panel two: same clump of grass
Hunter one: Say Luke...Is that a "Yellow-tailed pheasant" over there?!"
Hunter two: "Nope! It's a "Red-bellied sapsucker"! and them's good eatin'!"
>From outside the frame "Blam!" and a bullet zings through one of the
hunters hats.

Next frame they are looking every direction.
Hunter one: "What was that?"
Hunter two" "I dunno!"

Last frame switches to a bunch of animals with a gun and binoculars
Rabbit with binocs: "Good Shot!"
Animal bystander: "OO! What was it?"
Animal with gun (portnoy): "A "fat-bellied stogie sucker"! And them's good
eatin'!"

In another:

the animals have hunter decoys set in the grass. They are inside.
Panel one: two decoys motionless
Decoy one: "PSSST! Portnoy!"
Decoy two: "What?"

Panel two: two decoys motionless
Decoy one: "See any game?"
Decoy two: "Not yet."

Panel three: two decoys motionless
Decoy one: "Darned timid varmints, those hunters"
Decoy two: "Try your hunter call"

Panel four: Animal appears from under decoy one and with special horn calls:
Decoy one: "LITE BEER! PASS THE LITE BEER!!"
Decoy two:"Here they come!"

And yet another.

Unknown Animal:
"Say, Portnoy...Does the morality of hunting wild hunters ever disturb you?"
Portnoy (also an animal):
"I'm surprised at you! You know darned tootin' that without us, these wild
hunters would overpopulate their ecosystem in no time...and then
starvation...and disaster!"
Portnoy again:
"Yeah...I like t' think I work for the love of all wild things here on
god's green earth."
Portnoy again:
"But that don't mean I still don't relish blowin' their brains out!"

Michael Kennedy <mkennedy at waypt.com>
Port Townsend, WA, USA

</pre>

<A NAME="22211938">Subject: Acorn Woodpeckers in Michigan? (fwd)</A> 
From: Kelly Cassidy <kelly at salmo.cqs.washington.edu> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
<pre>
Can anyone on tweeters answer this person's question? She's not on
tweeters, so please respond directly or cc to her.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:03:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Helen Siegle <Sieglh at up.lib.mi.us>
To: kelly at u.washington.edu
Subject: Comments on the WAGAP Web

comments: Please put your comments here...
Today we saw about 15
Acorn Woodpeckers here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. My books tell
me that they are normally found in Southern California and Arizona. Is it
normal to find them this far north?

</pre>

<A NAME="2221441">Subject: Greys Marsh, Sequim Area</A> 
From: Robert Dunnell <dunnell at u.washington.edu> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
<pre>
Can anyone provide directions/location of "Grey's Marsh in the Sequim
area"? Many thanks.

</pre>

<A NAME="2221021">Subject: Re: Butterflies, not birds</A> 
From: heronwing at juno.com (Cathi Pelletier) 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:45:12 -0400
<pre>
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:22:38 -0700 Peggi & Ben Rodgers
<woodduck at cruzio.com> writes:
>We've been watching an interesting migration this week. Hundreds of
>Monarch
>butterflies heading south. Although we used to live in Pacific Grove,
>CA
>(breeding trees of the Monarch) years ago, I don't remember ever
>seeing so
>many passing through. We're about 60 miles north of there now.
>
>Does anyone remember whether they go as far as Argentina or where they
>go to
>overwinter?

Hi Peggi -

I don't think they go as far as Argentina. I believe the destination is
Mexico. I did a quick net search for you, (monarch+butterfly+migration
on Hotbot) and here's a page where you can get more information.

http://www.blake.pvt.k12.mn.us/campus/projects/upper/monarchs/research/migration.html

We saw a few migrating monarchs on Sunday at the hawkwatch at Lighthouse
Point Park in New Haven, but the 15-25 mph winds were really too much for
the little guys. I remember a glorious fall day a few years ago at
Hammonasset State Park in Madison when the coast was covered with
blooming goldenrod, and the goldenrod was dripping with monarchs. They
had stalled at the coast due to adverse winds. An absolutely gorgeous
sight! I got some wonderful closeup pictures. Some of the plants had as
many as twenty butterflies on them!

Cathi Pelletier
Waterbury, CT
Heronwing at juno.com

</pre>

<A NAME="2219536">Subject: Re: Chiggers</A> 
From: Michael Brown <borealis at borealis.seanet.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:00:09 -0800
<pre>
Rick Romea wrote:
> Actually, somebody was telling me about a recent trip into the cascades
> where they saw some guys bow-hunting from inside a moving mini-van with the
> sliding door open, beers in hand...where does the species fit in indeed?
>

Oh fer cryin' out loud....
--
Michael Brown
Puyallup, WA
borealis at borealis.seanet.com

</pre>

<A NAME="22191439">Subject: Wrist bands, dramamine</A> 
From: HHNierman at compuserve.com 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:15:57 -0400
<pre>
I've never had trouble with sea sickness when salmon fishing out of
Westport, During my first pelagic trip however, ughI. The next pelagic trip
I tried the wrist bands -- ugh! Some people wear amulets to ward off evils.
Some people wear wrist bands to ward of sea sickness. They are both equally
effective.

</pre>

<A NAME="22191045">Subject: Stokes Birding Series</A> 
From: HKrauss787 at aol.com 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
Tweeters: I just heard from KSPS Spokane Channel 7 that they will carry the
13 week birding special beginning November 8th at 11:30 a.m. Please tell all
your birding friends so they will not miss this excellent series. Hans
~v~ ~v~
~v~ ~v~
~v~ ~v~
~v~ ~v~
~v~ ~v~
~v~

H. Krauss May 1997

</pre>

<A NAME="2219431">Subject: 7 warblers, 1 vireo and...</A> 
From: Don Cecile <dcecile at cln.etc.bc.ca> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:07:22 -0700
<pre>
the flycatcher that got away!

Hi all, it has been two years now that I have been in intensive study and
have not had much opportunity to either go birding on a consistent basis nor
keep up with e-mail.

I thought I might relate the more significant sightings of the morning of
Sept. 21.

In the span of 2 hours, I was able to find all locally occurring warblers
except for MacGillivray's. This I thought was quite remarkable especially
considering the date.

It was quite interesting to recalibrate both my ears and eyes to retune them
to birding after a stretch of infrequent birding excursions--especially with
regard to passerines.

Not the kind of day to find a rarity but as usual we do not have control
over these events.

Along the edge of a pasture with a narrow stand of alder and thickets with
one small stand of mature maple in the background, I found a pocket of
warblers. I was impressed with the diversity.

In no particular order:

Black-throated Gray Warbler 4
Townsend's Warbler 1
Wilson's Warbler 1 (not sporting any black on cap = juv?)
Orange-crowned Warbler 6
Yellow Warbler 3
Yellow-rumped Warbler 15
Common Yellowthroat 11

(not all of these birds were together in the "pocket" some were found later
nearby)

also within the group was

Warbling Vireo 1

soon afterward, I began hearing "che-beck" off in the distance...hmmm sounds
like Least Flycatcher. Of course this species is very rare on the coast,
and I am not sure that there are any records for Vancouver Island (perhaps
Michael has some data?)
Anyway, I ventured off toward it. Finally it pops into view atop an alder
tree and (due to the foggy morning) I get a wonderfully backlit subject
that fits the profile of a small empid. It continues to sing and moves
about rather frequently.
Eventually it moves close enough that I can get a real look at it. One
problem, it is largely hidden by leaves (and shortly afterward, it flew off
into the maple trees). I was however, able to get glimpses of it but the
best feature that I could see was the underside of the lower mandible. I
did not get a look at the entire bill but the base was yellow and fairly
broad. The amount of yellow seen was significant and no dusky or dark areas
were present however I can not confirm that the yellow extended to bill tip.
(this could lead one to think that perhaps it was a young Hammond's-perhaps
even more likely at this late of a date, however would a young Hammond's be
singing?). As far as I can figure, if the bird is not a Least Flycatcher,
then I would have mistaken its song for a Hammond's, but would a Hammond's
have so much yellow under its bill? would a Hammond's have such a broad base
to its bill, seems to me their bill is always darker and more narrow. I
would have liked to have seen the bird in its entirety. More often I
complain of seeing empids that refuse to call, here I should be content with
having heard the bird but really wish I could have seen more detail. As
far as song goes, I describe it as:
very dry sounding (less sneezy or insect-like than Hammond's)certainly
disyllabic with accent on the second syllable and the first syllable is of
higher pitch.
Habitat also points toward Least vs. hammond's and I should note that I have
never had a Hammond's flycatcher in this area, even when they are abundant.

I would appreciate any comments.

cheers,

Don Cecile
dcecile at cln.etc.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="22184632">Subject: Treatment of chigger bites.</A> 
From: Norton360 at aol.com 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:48:05 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
My favorite treatment is an over the counter cortisone type cream. Coming
from southern Iowa I had a lot of encounters with them. We used to put a
thick layer of bar soap on them (we had laundry bar soap at that time and
that was the reccomended type) with some relief (better than Calamine).
One day in chigger season I went into the notorious chigger stronghold of
the Patagonia Nature Conservancy property in SE AZ with pants in socks and
plenty of OFF. However, I wore canvas shoes, had forgotten to spay them and
woke up in camp that night with the backs of my feet seemingly on fire. I put
the cream (the only thing that I had in my toilet kit that seemed of any
possible use) on the bites and shortly after that was able to sleep. A
miracle! Shortly after that I got a copy of the FIELD GUIDE TO THE DANGEROUS
ANIMALS OF NORTH AMERICA and saw they reccommended that very treatment.
My question is: Do we have them in WA? In Iowa in my youth the saying was
that there were no chiggers north of US 30. The only place during my years in
AZ that I heard of anyone encountering them was at the Patagonia Sanctuary.
Bob Norton
Joyce, WA

</pre>

<A NAME="2218441">Subject: Re: Ruby-crowned Kinglet</A> 
From: "Greenwood, Eric" <Eric.Greenwood at SUNCOR-OSG.COM> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:44:28 -0600
<pre>
Lots of 'chip' notes from Ruby-crowned Kinglets in the Kitsilano area of
Vancouver from September 13th on. We still have about 50 Band-tailed
Pigeons as well.
At 07:28 AM 9/22/97 -0600, you wrote:
>> Odd 'chip'-note in the backyard just turned out to be the first
>southbound
>> Ruby-crowned Kinglet I've seen this year, average arrival in Vancouver BC
>
>> Sep 15. Anyone else turning them up?
>
>I had a Ruby-Crowned Kinglet at the S end of Lake Washington (Seward Park)
>on Sat 22 9AM
>
>Rick Romea "Asps...very dangerous...you go first"
>Seattle, WA - Raiders of the Lost Ark
>
>rromea at stioptronics.com
>206-523-5831 (Home)
>206-827-0460 X 316 (Work)
>
>
>
>

Eric Greenwood
Senior Consultant
IntraNet Resource Group

egreenw at IntraNet.bc.ca

</pre>

<A NAME="22182927">Subject: Butterflies, not birds</A> 
From: Peggi & Ben Rodgers <woodduck at cruzio.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:22:38 -0700
<pre>
Hi all!

We've been watching an interesting migration this week. Hundreds of Monarch
butterflies heading south. Although we used to live in Pacific Grove, CA
(breeding trees of the Monarch) years ago, I don't remember ever seeing so
many passing through. We're about 60 miles north of there now.

Does anyone remember whether they go as far as Argentina or where they go to
overwinter?

Thanks,

Peggi
Ben & Peggi Rodgers
Aptos, CA (near Santa Cruz 122 W, 37 N)
USA
woodduck at cruzio.com
http://www2.cruzio.com/~woodduck/

"A bird does not sing because it has an answer,
It sings because it has a song"

</pre>

<A NAME="2218233">Subject: Re: Loons with yellow bills.</A> 
From: Norton360 at aol.com 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
<pre>
In a message dated 97-09-22 05:20:40 EDT, Michael Price writes:

<< [quoting me]
>I rise to disagree that yellow bills mean Yellow-billed Loon . Here on
>the Olympic Peninsula 90% (a guess) of the winter loons with yellow bills
are
>Commons.

Darn those guys at Bushnell, I warned them and *warned* them that those new
doubled gold coatings would cause trouble! Bob, I sure hope that 90% figure
for your guess is a typo, 'cause if most of your Common Loons have yellow
bills, it's time to share the wealth with the rest of us (or see next
paragraph, and further, ID confusion around Yellow-billed Loon). We are, of
course, talking about birds on which you can actually see the bill color,
shape and pattern, not birds too far out to do so.
>>
I point out that I did not say that 90% of Common Loons have yellow
bills. It is a small proportion but still vastly outnumbers the Yellow-billed
Loons (YBLO).
Last year when we had a YBLO at Sequim Bay from January to April we also
had a lot of loons with yellow bills. On one occasion I counted 4 inside the
marina at one time with two of them a living room distance away. To me they
looked yellow and they surely looked yellow to several birders I encountered
over the course of the birds stay who helpfully pointed out COLO's with
yellow bills to me thinking they were YBLO. . It was obvious that this first
chasable YBLO in some years had led a number of birders to put imposters on
their list. I certainly agree that most of the light billed COLO's are more
ivory. I also agee that if an adult banana bill is seen it is unmistakable.
As so often, it is the immatures that cause the confusion. In short I see
quite a number of COLO's with bills I would call yellow and I am convinced
other people call them yellow and even call them YBLO's.
I have no other problems with your detailed post, Michael.
Bob Norton
Joyce, WA

</pre>

<A NAME="22181652">Subject: Costa Rica info</A> 
From: Robert Taylor <taylorrt at geocities.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:14:14 -0700
<pre>
Hi future Costa Rica birders

Did a little more digging and came up with;

Another general interest book that is a little dated but an excellent one
edited by the well known Daniel H. Janzen -- Costa Rican Natural History.
Before investing in it I would suggest seeing if it is available from the
library.

I can't travel without maps;

1:500,000 scale map of Costa Rica by:

International Travel Map Productions
PO Box 2290, Vancouver BC, Canada V6B 3W5

or

ITMB Publishing/World Wide Books & Maps
736A Granville Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 1G3

(I'm assuming that the two addresses are for the same company). The map is
also available from Powell's Books in Portland if you are going to be in
that area. If they don't have them at the main store have them check their
Travel Store. Be aware that there are a number of Powell's stores -- ie
their computer/technology stuff if not at the main store but several blocks
away, etc.

Also, this weekend (must be serendipity) I got a travel package from Costa
Rica from their Tourist Bureau which included a highway map (with a San
Jose city map on the reverse). Their phone number is 1-800-343-6332. The
package also included a list of birds (sort of useless except for the most
casual birder) to be expected.

Amarican Birding Association (ABA) also lists a new annotated checklist for
Monteverde and Penas Blancas by Michael Fogden (an excellent photographer,
by the way). Title: An Annotated Checklist of the Birds of Monteverde and
Penas Blancas (Costa Rica). Item #CRI-002 $6.95 Published 1993 60 pages
Paperback
ABA added a descriptive comment: Status and habitat distribution of 452
species for this prime cloud forest area (and) the adjacent downslope.

ABA also lists a Bird Song Master for Costa Rica
Item #807 $50.00 (MAC or Windows)

Voices of Costa Rican birds: Carribean Slope
Item #613CD $24.95
Item #61T $19.95

>From what I gather you need both the software management (#807) and the CD
(613CD).
Looks pricey.

ABA's phone is 1-800-634-7736 in Colorado Springs.

Last comment (for now) don't miss at least a day's birding in the Cerro de
la Muerte area. Higher altitude birding and quite rewarding.

If anyone is going to be in the La Selva area, I will provide a couple of
individual comments on a good spot between town and the reserve.

Bob Taylor
taylorrt at geocities.com

</pre>

<A NAME="2218166">Subject: Re: Yellow-billed Loon</A> 
From: Robert Taylor <taylorrt at geocities.com> 
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:00:49 -0700
<pre>
At 02:17 AM 9/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Tweets,
>
>Doreene Linzell writes:
>
>>I found Michael Price's comment very interesting about the yellow bill
>>of a loon being diagnostic. Here in Ohio we have a "raging
****************

Giant snip

*****************>
>
>Bob Norton writes:
>
>>I rise to disagree that yellow bills mean Yellow-billed Loon . Here on
****************
Another giant snip

****************

>So that's about all I can think of. Hope to see that loon on the Web!
>
>Michael Price The Sleep of Reason Gives Birth to Monsters
>Vancouver BC Canada -Goya
>mprice at mindlink.net
>

Mike et al

I just moved recently and will be unpacking for the next year, so can't lay
my hands on all the things that I would like but-t-t-t ...... didn't
American Birding Association (ABA) just do an article on differentiating
the loons?? If so, it woould seem that article would be worth reviewing.

Also, what do the Brits know? They call them Divers!

Bob Taylor
taylorrt at geocities.com

>
>

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