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Michael,

Actually the Ironwood is known as American Hop-Hornbeam (Ostrya =
viriniana) because the Carpinus caroliniana is also called Ironwood or =
American Hornbeam OR Blue Beech. It gets quite confusing. Both trees =
look similar but the barks are very different and the leaves have a =
slight difference in them as well also, one occupies wetlands more =
commonly, the Blue beech, and the other uplands, American Hop Hornbeam.

Both trees are loved by Juncos and some finches like the Pine Siskin for =
the seeds that are left over winter on the catkins.

Hope this helps!
Libor
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael P Dossett <mpdossett at juno.com>
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Date: December 31, 1997 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Birds and wood...
=20
=20
Hey! I am from Missouri, NOT Missourah. They only say Missourah if =
they
live south of highway 44, or farty far as the case maybe. They also =
say
Worshington down there! Heck, they just like to stick an "r" or =
"ar" in
lots of words ( arnges instead of oranges, farks instead of forks, =
etc.)=20
About ironwood though... I learned that ironwood is another name =
for
American Hornbeam. Does anyone else know? Anyway, the osage orange =
is a
very important tree down there. The Missouri Conservationist, a =
free
magazine for residents of Missouri, published by the Department of
Conservation, ran an article on it, which said that it was the most
highly prized wood for indian bows, and that some bows had been =
found in
ruins of Blackfeet indian villages in northern Montana. That what I =
call
long distance trade! Osage orange is also good for baseball bats =
because
it is so strong. If anyone is interested in the article, I'll see =
if I
can remember which issue it was in.
=20
=20
Michael Dossett
Shoreline, Washington
mpdossett at Juno.com
=20
On Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:23:32 -0800 "Robert Taylor"
<taylorrt at foxinternet.net> writes:
>Interesting! Because I spent a few years in Missouri (Missourah =
--=20
>according to those folks back there!) and a fair number of fence =
lines=20
>are
>planted with Osage orange or, as they call it -- hedge apple. =
Seems=20
>like
>it grows densely enough that once well established it becomes the=20
>fence.=20
>It also become their source of fence posts. When I was fencing =
part=20
>of my
>property my neighbor came over and augured a hole about 6' deep and =

>cut
>down one of my hedge apple trees for the corner post. Easy cutting =

>with
>some very straight sections. He put six feet in the ground and had =
5=20
>plus
>sticking out. Worked like a champ. He said if you want to cut that =

>tree
>up, do it soon or forget it. Cut some and left some. Later I =
found=20
>out
>why they also called it ironwood!. Lots of the old fence lines =
used=20
>hedge
>apple for corner posts and smaller hedge apple limbs as line posts =
and=20
>if I
>can believe my neighbor, "They will last longer than you, Son!" I=20
>think I
>am correct in saying that they are not native to the Midwest but =
came=20
>from
>down Texas way or someplace. =20
>
>So, I guess the parrots could whittle the fresh wood and only =
'polish'=20
>the
>seasoned wood.
>
>Darn, now I have to dig out my books, again.
>
>Thanks for the reminder of those days.
>
>Bob
>Federal Way, Wa
>Taylorrt at foxinternet.net
>
>
>----------
>> From: Susan L. Collicott <camel at serv.net>
>> To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>> Subject: Birds and wood...
>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 3:58 PM
>>=20
>>=20
>> Tweets -
>>=20
>> Interesting side note from a tree list I'm on.
>>=20
>>=20
>> >From C2ALTS at aol.com Wed Dec 31 15:57:14 1997
>> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:53:01 EST
>> From: C2ALTS <C2ALTS at aol.com>
>> To: TreeTown at Majordomo.Flora.Com
>> Subject: TT: Re: TreeTown-Digest V97 #110
>>=20
>> > Did someone say that the osage orange isn't good for much? It =
has
>dense
>> > wood that appears almost tropical. There is nothing better for =

>making
>> > tool handles!
>>=20
>> Your comment takes me back to my zookeeping days in Topeka =
Kansas,=20
>where
>I
>> was in charge of the walk-through tropical exhibit. We used =
osage=20
>orange
>> in exhibits. It was the only wood that lasted more than a few =
days=20
>on
>the
>> macaws' island: their sharp beaks whittled oak as fast as balsa=20
>wood.=20
>> It's hell on saws though, really gives you an appreciation for =
the=20
>skill
>> of those Indians with their flint tools!=20
>>=20
>
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<DIV>Michael, </DIV>
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<DIV>Actually the =
Ironwood is=20
known as American Hop-Hornbeam (Ostrya=20
viriniana) because the Carpinus caroliniana is also called =

Ironwood or American Hornbeam OR Blue =
Beech.  It=20
gets quite confusing.   Both trees look similar but the barks =
are very=20
different and the leaves have a slight difference in them as well also, =
one=20
occupies wetlands more commonly, the Blue beech, and the other uplands, =
American=20
Hop Hornbeam.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Both trees are loved by =
Juncos and some=20
finches like the Pine Siskin for the seeds that are left over winter on =
the=20
catkins.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope this helps!</DIV>
<DIV>Libor </DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original =
Message----- From:=20
Michael P Dossett <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mpdossett at juno.com">mpdossett at juno.com</A>> To: =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tweeters at u.washington.edu">tweeters at u.washington.edu</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tweeters at u.washington.edu">tweeters at u.washington.edu</A>&g=
t; Date:=20
December 31, 1997 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Birds and=20
wood... </DIV>Hey! I am from Missouri, NOT =
Missourah. =20
They only say Missourah if they live south of highway 44, or =
farty far as=20
the case maybe.  They also say Worshington down there!  =
Heck,=20
they just like to stick an "r" or "ar" =
in lots of=20
words ( arnges instead of oranges, farks instead of forks, etc.) =
 About=20
ironwood though...  I learned that ironwood is another name=20
for American Hornbeam.  Does anyone else know?  Anyway, =
the=20
osage orange is a very important tree down there.  The =
Missouri=20
Conservationist, a free magazine for residents of Missouri, =
published by=20
the Department of Conservation, ran an article on it, which said =
that it=20
was the most highly prized wood for indian bows, and that some =
bows had=20
been found in ruins of Blackfeet indian villages in northern=20
Montana.  That what I call long distance trade!  Osage =
orange=20
is also good for baseball bats because it is so strong.  If =
anyone=20
is interested in the article, I'll see if I can remember which =
issue it=20
was in. Michael Dossett Shoreline, Washington <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mpdossett at Juno.com">mpdossett at Juno.com</A> On =
Wed, 31=20
Dec 1997 17:23:32 -0800 "Robert Taylor" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:taylorrt at foxinternet.net">taylorrt at foxinternet.net</A>>=
=20
writes: >Interesting!  Because I spent a few years in =
Missouri=20
(Missourah  -- >according to those folks back there!) =
and a fair=20
number of fence lines >are >planted with Osage orange =
or, as=20
they call it  --  hedge apple.  Seems =
 >like >it=20
grows densely enough that once well established it becomes the=20
 >fence. >It also become their source of fence =
posts. =20
When I was fencing part >of my >property my neighbor =
came over=20
and augured a hole about 6' deep and >cut >down one of =
my hedge=20
apple trees for the corner post.  Easy cutting =
 >with >some=20
very straight sections.  He put six feet in the ground and had =
5=20
 >plus >sticking out. Worked like a champ.  He said =
if you=20
want to cut that >tree >up, do it soon or forget =
it.  Cut=20
some and left some.  Later I found >out >why they =
also=20
called it ironwood!.  Lots of the old fence lines used=20
 >hedge >apple for corner posts and smaller hedge apple =
limbs as=20
line posts and >if I >can believe my neighbor, =
"They will=20
last longer than you, Son!"  I >think I >am =
correct=20
in saying that they are not native to the Midwest but came=20
 >from >down Texas way or someplace.  =
 > >So, I=20
guess the parrots could whittle the fresh wood and only 'polish'=20
 >the >seasoned wood. > >Darn, now I have to =
dig out=20
my books, again. > >Thanks for the reminder of those=20
days. > >Bob >Federal Way, Wa ><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Taylorrt at foxinternet.net">Taylorrt at foxinternet.net</A> =
> > >---------- >>=20
From: Susan L. Collicott <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:camel at serv.net">camel at serv.net</A>> >> =
To: Tweeters=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tweeters at u.washington.edu">tweeters at u.washington.edu</A>&g=
t; >>=20
Subject: Birds and wood... >> Date: Wednesday, December 31, =
1997=20
3:58 PM >> >> >> Tweets - >>=20
 >> Interesting side note from a tree list I'm =
on. >>=20
 >> >> >From <A=20
href=3D"mailto:C2ALTS at aol.com">C2ALTS at aol.com</A> Wed Dec 31 =
15:57:14=20
1997 >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:53:01 EST >> =
From:=20
C2ALTS <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:C2ALTS at aol.com">C2ALTS at aol.com</A>> >> =
To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:TreeTown at Majordomo.Flor">TreeTown at Majordomo.Flor</A>a.Com<=
BR>>>=20
Subject: TT: Re: TreeTown-Digest V97 #110 >> >> =
> Did=20
someone say that the osage orange isn't good for much?  It=20
has >dense >> > wood that appears almost =
tropical. =20
There is nothing better for >making >> > tool=20
handles! >> >> Your comment takes me back to my=20
zookeeping days in Topeka Kansas, >where >I >> =
was in=20
charge of the walk-through tropical exhibit.  We used osage=20
 >orange >> in exhibits.  It was the only wood =
that=20
lasted more than a few days >on >the >> =
macaws'=20
island: their sharp beaks whittled oak as fast as balsa =
 >wood.=20
 >> It's hell on saws though, really gives you an =
appreciation for=20
the >skill >> of those Indians with their flint =
tools!=20
 >> > </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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