Thanks for pointing out my limited intelligence and misunderstanding of what
is acceptable in this forum. I will make every effort to avoid these types
in errors in the future.

Dave Spencer
merdave at televar.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Egger <megger at home.com>
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Birds evolved from dinosaurs


>Excuse me Mr. Spence (see below), but the WWW reference you quote, which I
>checked out, is hardly an example of "the scientific method at work", but
>is rather a fairly typical example of creationist drivel, employing a
>combination of distorted half-truths, quotations out of context, and
>extremely twisted reasoning in an attemt to support a position that is
>scientifically and logically untenable.
>
>As to the age of the universe, your argument requires that all objects in
>the universe must be less than 7,000 light years from the earth, which is
>absurd, and/or that the speed of light is variable, which it is not, and/or
>that the universe just APPEARS to be very much older than that, I suppose
>so that God could test our faith in him, or some such nonsense. There are
>numerous records of supernovae outside our galaxy, and the LMC galaxy,
>mentioned so often in your article, is, itself, well over 100,000 light
>years from here -- which means that those supernovae occurred more tan
>100,000 light years ago, which means that the universe is a hell of a lot
>older than 7,000 years! To paraphrase a noted evolutionary biologist, if
>the universe is not ancient, God sure went to a lot of effort to make it
>appear that way! The usual creationist age for the earth, based on biblical
>"events" and calculated by Archbishop Usher, is more like 6,000 years, and
>there are trees alive on the earth today that predate that version of
>"creation".
>
>As to avian evolution, the fossil and biochemical records are abundant and
>clear as to the FACT that birds evolved from reptilian ancestors; the only
>question still under serious scientific discussion is what precise route
>that evolution followed. And, as Kevin Padian's lecture illustrated, the
>evidence is steadily shifting toward the dinosaur to bird route, which is,
>actually, a valuable illustration of how science is open to and encouraging
>of theory modification when CREDIBLE evidence is presented to document the
>need for such modification!
>
>By the way, THANK YOU to Tom Cotner for his post summarizing Padian's
>lecture -- I had hoped to attend but couldn't.
>
>Finally, I would suggest to creationist Tweets that we stick to the TOPIC
>of our group, maybe the one thing we have in common and on which we can
>agree -- that birding is a worthwhile past-time!
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>>The two major requirements for species evolution are millions of years of
>>time to allow the process to do its work and a continous shift in an
>>environment that favors one group of individuals within a species over
>>another.
>>
>>Please see "Super Nova Remnants - How old is the universe anyway?" - by
>>Keith Davies, B.A., Dip.Ed. at http://www.creation.on.ca/cdp/snrart.html
for
>>an excellent example of the scientific method at work minus any emotional
>>baggage.
>>
>>
>>Dave Spencer
>>merdave at televar.com
>
>
>- Mark Egger
>9521-49th Ave. NE
>Seattle, WA 98115-2627
>
>megger at home.com
>
>
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