Hi Ruth
This bird is not an Iceland Gull, if anything it is a Kumliens Gull,
there is a major difference and people should not be refering to it
as Iceland, and untill the underwing pattern is seen there is no way of
telling, i don't care who the experts are they can't tell.
I might also add i have already seen pictures of this gull.
Kumlien's in itself is not a recognised species and should be treated
with great caution in identifying a bird like this.
Everybody is jumping to conclusions without first getting all the
fieldmarks.
It's a bad sign when so and so says it's one so it must be?
Derrick Marven
Duncan B.C.
home of the hybrid
marven at home.com

Ruth Sullivan wrote:
>
> Hello Marven and Tweeters,
> I photographed this bird in any angle and every position for every one to
> see on the internet soon. We had many different expert birders opinion
> before it was put on to tweeters.This bird was found around the 10th of
> January and not published to we all was sure it is a Iceland Gull. Bruce
> Labar give a real good description of this bird,and in order to see the
> underwings we have to catch this bird, because this bird can not fly.I hope
> my photos going to be proof enough to say this bird is an winter Adult
> Iceland Gull.
>
> Ruth Sullivan
> Tacoma
> godwit at worldnet.att.net
>
> ----------
> > From: D Marven <marven at home.com>
> > To: tweeter <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Kumlien's Gull
> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:46 PM
> >
> > Dennis Paulson writes that the gull is a typical (Kumlien's) Iceland
> > Gull, please Dennis to help us all what are the identifying fields marks
> > for a typical Kumlien's. And without seeing the underwing pattern how
> > can you be so sure with this rare West coast species, or maybe did you
> > see the underwing? Derrick
> >
> > Derrick Marven
> > Duncan B.C.
> > home of the hybrid
> >
> > marven at home.com