Hi tweeters
I was going to stay away from the "kumliens" debate because of severe
backlash from my last postings, but something Ruth Sullivan said got me
a little worked up. It is to do with capture of the gull and that is
that agency's or who ever you want to call them won't attempt to catch
the bird because of it status. If it is endangered yes they will get
involved, i do hope that this is the right interpretation Ruth.
Well i ask all you tweets out there what is the rarer bird in Washington
State, Spotted Owl or Kumlien's Gull.
What would happen if a Gyrfalcon was hurt and was standing in the middle
of the group of Gulls.? Also remember cats and dogs are not protected
species, but they seem to get looked after, and take up most of the
money
These people who run these agency's or wildlife recovery places rely on
our money (public money) for there survival and living so please let
them know that all animals are equal, it's just some species who lack
less brains than others make the rules.
I hope this does not offend any tweeters out there, but i hope it
offends others who make the rules. Derrick

Derrick Marven
Duncan B.C.
home of the hybrid
marven at home.com

Ruth Sullivan wrote:
>
> Hello Steven and Tweeters,
> The way i heared this afternoon from a birder, There was already people
> what try to rescue this Gull.One person was from Paws.This bird is in bad
> shape the way i saw it yesterday, closing his eyes all the time with the
> wing hanging pretty much down. I did not see this bird today and stayed
> almost to 5.30 PM when all the Gulls comming in from the river to settle on
> to the roofs. I remember how birders criticized the agency who took the
> Spotted Owl in Everett to transfer the Owl in to the wild.This discussion
> went on for days " HOW DARE TO MOVE THIS OWL".I found all my Owls in the
> wild and mostly alone.I was happy this Owl was removed so fast.This Gull is
> not an endangered Species, so therefore no Agency would help without a
> private Party would take over. And i think this was the case today when
> this people trying for the Iceland Gull to capture.
>
> Ruth Sullivan
> Tacoma
> godwit at worldnet.att.net
> ----------
> > From: Steven Kimball <sdkimball at earthlink.net>
> > To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Iceland Gull yes
> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:04 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree 100% with Jerry on this one. I was appalled that the injured
> bird
> > was left there merely because some birder might want to add it to
> his/her
> > list. As to nature taking it's course, Dr. Paulson states that he would
> > have taken any other bird to wildlife rehab, but that he didn't take
> this
> > one because someone might get angry at not getting to see it. So, the
> > injured gull was left to suffer and die, not because nature must be
> allowed
> > to take its course but because humane instincts apparently succumbed to
> > anticipated "lister anger." It's birding as sport, not nature, that's
> > having it's way in this case.
> >
> > Steven Kimball
> > Federal Way, WA
> > sdkimball at earthlink.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <sanjer at televar.com>
> > To: <dpaulson at ups.edu>
> > Cc: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 12:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Iceland Gull yes
> >
> >
> > > Dennis Paulson wrote:
> > > snip
> > >
> > > > It's too bad that it's injured and can't fly. If it was any other
> > species,
> > > > I would have made an attempt to capture it and get it to a bird
> rehabber
> > > > (Olympic Wildlife Rescue in Olympia would be the best one), but I
> > thought a
> > > > whole lot of birders would be robbed of their chance to see such a
> > > > beautiful bird (and I might get run out of town on a rail).
> > >
> > > I don't mean to start a big controversy but I think the welfare of the
> > bird
> > > would have precedence over some birders wanting to see it and add it to
> > their
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Of course there are those that believe in nature taking its course, so
> I
> > guess
> > > it is all a matter of opinion.
> > >
> > > Jerry Converse
> > > Grand Coulee, WA
> > > mailto:sanjer at televar.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >