Hello Michael and tweeters,
I must so much to agree with you.We all started at one point what some of us
seems to forget.As a beginner i got treaded pretty bad from some experinced
birders.Only i was percistend not to get encouraged to drop out what i never
forgot even to this day.Now i rose to a higher level than this birders,so i
know how it feels.Even taking bird classes, i was still not to good and had
to learn the rest in the field over and over again.Lucky me i had Patrick
and he helped me the skills i have now.But even now we all make mistakes
what other birders also not judge.We all not pefect.

Ruth Sullivan
godwit at worldnet.att.net
Tacoma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Dossett <phainopepla at yahoo.com>
To: <lostriver at completebbs.com>; <Tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Who could this be?


> Hi,
>
> I agree with Kelly 100% on this one. I think that it
> is a poor show of character to not welcome questions
> from beginners on this forum. While the question may
> not have been appropriate for a list like ID
> Frontiers, I think that Margaret's questions in the
> past have been more than reasonable for this list.
>
> Not all of us are hardcore birders, and not all of us
> are experts. In fact, we are ALL learning something
> new everyday, and if we aren't then we aren't trying
> hard enough or we aren't paying enough attention.
> Beginners can contribute a great deal to our
> understanding of birds and their lives (and many have)
> and it is a shame if we were to dissuade them from
> sharing their observations or asking for help just
> because we can't be bothered by questions which seem
> trivial or "below" us.
>
> No matter what skill level we are at, our goals or our
> reasons for being on this list should all be about the
> same. In a nutshell, we are all trying to learn as
> much about these birds as we can. Our motives for
> doing so maybe different, but the birds are what is
> really important here.
>
> If anyone is interested, I have taken a look at
> Margaret's bird. It is a hatch year starling,
> probably from the first brood of the season becuase it
> is beginning to molt and has the beginnings of adult
> winter plumage on the flanks.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Michael Dossett
> Bothell, Washington
> Phainopepla at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- Kelly Cassidy <lostriver at completebbs.com> wrote:
> > I'm disappointed that anyone on the tweeters list
> > would rebuff a novice
> > birder by telling them not to ask questions, even if
> > the answers might be in
> > a field guide. We were all beginners once.
> >
> > Next time the bird comes, see if you can get a good
> > look at the shape of the
> > beak and the length of the tail. Also, check out
> > the field guide depiction
> > of a female/juvie Red-winged Blackbird.
> >
> > Kelly Cassidy
> > Pullman, WA
> >
> >
>
>
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