A Crimson-fronted Parakeet sound file is available at:

Aratinga finschi http://www.naturesongs.com/cfpa1.wav

Try as I might, I could find no other "red-crowned" Aratinga
sound files.


Eugene Hunn wrote:
>
> Dennis et al.,
>
> Maybe we should just report them as Aratinga sp.? They were reported by two
> groups. We saw seven flying south over the Montlake Fill in the early AM and
> someone else reported 9 some distance away (Seward Park?). All we could see
> was that they were Aratinga types about Mourning Dove size. They were
> calling. I can't reproduce the sound but it was what attracted our attention
> as they approached.
>
> Gene.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Netta Smith" <nettasmith at attbi.com>
> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Seattle CBC parakeets
>
> > Gene, these parakeets are definitely confusing, as there are several
> rather
> > similar-looking species, and the subspecific variation within some of them
> > confuses the issue even more. I've been going by the descriptions in both
> > Forshaw's Parrots of the World and the recent volume on same by Juniper
> and
> > Parr, also checking with some of the Neotropical guides. Scarlet-fronted
> is
> > my best guess, although some individuals within the flock have just about
> > the right amount of red for Crimson-fronted, and it was this type that I
> > photographed years ago and made me think they were Crimson-fronted. But
> > immature Scarlet-fronted have less red, and there is variation in that
> > species depending on what subspecies it is, so it's kind of a mess, and
> it's
> > not absolutely certain that all the birds are the same species. But
> > definitely some of them have too much red to be Crimson-fronted. When I
> > looked at a flock last winter, I saw quite a bit of variation in the
> amount
> > of red on the head - proof of breeding?
> >
> > The two species are also different in size, and the largest subsp. of
> > Scarlet-fronted (the one with red on the wings) is supposed to be 40 cm in
> > length, while Crimson-fronted is supposed to be 26-28, and we should be
> able
> > to see that difference. Although it's been a couple of decades since I've
> > seen wild individuals of either species, so I don't have a good feeling
> for
> > size, the birds I've seen around here look closer to 40 cm.
> >
> > Scarlet-fronted is more likely to have red on the thighs (not always easy
> to
> > see), but apparently some Crimson-fronted are similarly colored.
> > Crimson-fronted has yellow greater underwing coverts as well as red median
> > and lesser underwing coverts, while Scarlet-fronted (the subspecies in
> > question) has only red under the wing; in both species the red shows at
> the
> > bend of the wing. I haven't seen any yellow on the birds around here, but
> > I'll admit some times I was looking at them I wasn't thinking of this. I
> > would say more careful observations would still be of value, but I
> > definitely don't think they can be called Crimson-fronted at this time.
> The
> > color under the wing might be the only positive mark for individual birds
> > with less red on the forehead.
> >
> > Dennis
> > --
> > Netta Smith and Dennis Paulson
> > 1724 NE 98 St.
> > Seattle, WA 98115
> >
> > ----------
> > >From: "Eugene Hunn" <enhunn at attbi.com>
> > >To: <nettasmith at attbi.com>, <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> > >Subject: Re: Seattle CBC parakeets
> > >Date: Wed, Jan 2, 2002, 4:57 PM
> > >
> >
> > > Dennis,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the clarification. I called them Crimson-fronted (and so
> reported
> > > them last year) on the basis of your earlier identification. I had
> called
> > > them Green Parakeets on first encounter, but didn't get great looks. I
> will
> > > so advise the computer at Cornell. Could you provide us with a brief
> account
> > > of the possibilities and how one might distinguish a given individual?
> > >
> > > Gene.

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