----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth Sullivan
To: Rob Sandelin
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Rare birds and reactions, was Boreal owl


Hello Rob and Tweeters,

Yes we did posted the sightings on to Tweeters ,but we regret to done this.As we experienced on several occasion big groups of birders on Sunrise.One particular person in mind playing the tapes so loud that you can hear them a while away.This been going on for a while since we never posted after 2000 because of this,since we had no idea that this would happen.The reason wy we are so disturbed is that the birders who saw this Owls ,I mention what we experienced in the past and it would be better not posting the sighting
We are always posting all the birders in Washington know this,but with the Owl in Mount Rainier and also the Great Gray Owl in Okanogan is a restricted area.As we found out from the manager in the Tonasket Ranger station told us that the study on this particular location of the Great Gray Owl was funded since this is a sighting that there are breeding there.As birders probable been seeing all kind of sign on the road to the ski area of the property of the landowner" NO TRESPASSING" is the result from disturbance.
We never intended that this would also come to the Boreal Owls on Mount Rainier,that guided trips with birders going up there,when there are other location in Washington this Owls can be seen.With all the birders going up there we know no one posted and kept it quite .The reason we wrote to Ted was not to playing the tapes but surprised since Ted otherwise usually never post all his good sightings and birds he finds. Why this Owl sighting? We made a big mistake in posting our original sightings not know so many birders would be going to Sunrise and searching for the Boreal Owl.


Ruth Sullivan
Tacoma

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Sandelin" <floriferous at msn.com>
To: "'Ted Kenefick'" <tgkenefick at msn.com>; "'tweeters'" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:23 AM
Subject: [Tweeters] Rare birds and reactions, was Boreal owl


> Ted Kenefick posted his reposonses about his feelings and reactions in
> posting about seeing a Boreal Owl. When a rare or highly sought after bird
> is reported on this list it has both a positive and negative effect. The
> negative effect obviously comes from the numbers of people who flock to an
> area to see the bird, causing potential problems by their numbers and how
> they approach the bird, and the area it is in. There are numerous stories of
> people acting very responsibily, and some stories of birders who act in ways
> that diminish not only other peoples ability to view the bird in question,
> but may also diminish non-birders welcome of such things, especially when
> the bird in question is on, or adjacent to private property.
>
> The postive side is that our collective knowledge about birds is increased
> with each post. Since I am not a lister, and do not chase after rare birds
> and do not personally go out with the twitcher crowds, I can only use this
> forum to ask all of you that do to be mindful of our collective impacts on
> both the animals and their habitats. There are people in the birding
> community who I have enormous respect and admiration for and I trust us all
> to be leaders in guiding those who need reminders of our impact.
>
> I encourage those in this community to keep the posts coming about what they
> see, and to use your good judgement about how you report the locations of
> sensitive birds, or birds in sensitive areas. I do believe we all care about
> birds, some of us passionately, and let us use that caring as our guide.
>
>
> Rob Sandelin
> Naturalist, writer
>
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