Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs
Date: Oct 12 08:55:44 2005
From: Glenn - glenn.hansen at usa.net



Your solution is as brilliant as the behavior of the challenged dog owners that we are talking about. It proves that birders and dog owners have a full spectrum of personalities. Stinging eyes to me causes pain which I define as cruel and hurting the dog. Maybe the dog will learn from experience or maybe he will bite you due to the stinging you caused him?



I never suggested you kick the dog, beat the crap out of the owner or cause a major scene. I do suggest you may end up in a major scene or getting the crap beat out of you or worse if you use your solution. You really think spraying a dog in the eyes with anything is a solution and not the creation of a whole series of problems to deal with? You actually believe the owner will be taught a lesson and thank you for your efforts after he has already demonstrated for you his level of respect for others?



Sorry Brett I just don't follow your vigilante logic.



Glenn Hansen
glenn.hansen at usa.net
Tacoma, Wa






BTW: One of the best ways to prevent a dog from jumping up on you is to bend a leg and raise your knee up near waist level. Again this can be misinterpreted by a challenged dog owner as an overt aggressive act against their dog child and all hell could break out. Sometimes we just have to be big enough to see it is best to move on to someplace else as I will with this conversation.






----- Original Message -----
From: Brett Wolfe
To: Glenn ; tweeters at u.washington.edu
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs


Jeezus Glenn, relax. The worst that vinegar is going to do is smell bad, maybe sting in the eyes a little, but it ain't gonna hurt the dog. Maybe it will learn thru experience what it's idiot owner didn't teach it: don't jump on every Tom, Dick & Harry out there. It is far better to try something like that than pepper spray or anything like that. Birding is important enough to me to keep damn dogs from jumping on me, yes. Sometimes one does have to take the law into their own hands in order to protect oneself. Would you rather I kick the dog? Beat the crap outta the owner? Cause a major scene? Or spray a little vinegar in a dog's face and make it run back to it's idiot "parents"? I think most people would prefer the latter. So far, of all the posts from this thread, which I thought I would catch wholly heck for, you are definitely the most shrill. Guess their are more folks looking for positive solutions to this problem than we all thought.

Brett A. Wolfe
Seattle, WA
m_lincolnii at yahoo.com


Glenn <glenn.hansen at usa.net> wrote:

So the dog owner is a idiot and you are going to make the dog suffer for it.
Not only that before you pull the trigger on that squirt gun remember you
are dealing with an idiot owner and the reaction you receive when he sees
his dog in pain may be far worse than a wet pawed dirty shirt. Is birding so
important to you you feel the need to act as ignorant as the ones you
complain about. IOW taking the law into your own hands is usually a poor
approach.


Glenn Hansen
glenn.hansen at usa.net
Tacoma, Wa




----- Original Message -----
From: "George B. Cobel"
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM
Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs


> Many, many years ago when I had a bicycle paper route, I cured several
> aggressive dogs with a squirt gun filled with one part vinegar and ten
parts
> water.
>
> George B. Cobel
> GBCobel at comcast.net
> Renton, WA
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