Hi Phil,

Despite what any field guide map may show, I have never heard any
sightings of Spruce Grouse in coastal BC south of about the Stikine River
(56' N ?).

I have quite a few books and papers on bird distribution in BC and Canada
here, and the only one that indicates that Spruce Grouse occur near the
coast is Godfrey's "The Birds Of Canada". This book is appallingly
inaccurate in the ranges given for many species, the Spruce Grouse included.

Hope that helps,

Guy L. Monty
Vancouver Island, BC


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> 1. Are we birders one of a feather? (Kelly Cassidy)
> 2. Re: Are we birders one of a feather? (Ian Paulsen)
> 3. Columbia Co. Mountain Quail (mike denny)
> 4. Kittiwake in Lilliwaup? (Jeni Gray)
> 5. Re: us cheapskares (vogelfreund at comcast.net)
> 6. Washington Birdbox Report (Nancy Hertzel)
> 7. Re: Re: us cheapskares (Charles Reinsch)
> 8. gray jays and clmate change/global warming effects
> (Valerie Elliott)
> 9. Coming Soon: Swift Nights Out! (Valerie Elliott)
> 10. Am.Redstart at Nisqually NWR 8-24-06
> (Ruth and/or Patrick Sullivan)
> 11. Marymoor Park Report (Redmond, King Co., WA) 2006-08-23
> (Michael Hobbs)
> 12. 5th Edition of Nat'l Geo Birds (Valerie Elliott)
> 13. Skagit Solitary Sand seen by cheap birder (Gary Bletsch)
> 14. cheapskates (MurrayH at aol.com)
> 15. Re: Are we birders one of a feather? (Kathy Andrich)
> 16. Birders in the local economies (Rob Sandelin)
> 17. Re: Are we birders one of a feather? (Ian Paulsen)
> 18. updated Slater Museum bird wing collection (Gary Shugart)
> 19. RBA: Portland, OR 8-24-06 (Harry Nehls)
> 20. Nisqually NWR 8/24/06 (Scrubjay323 at aol.com)
> 21. Massive Bird Habitat loss due to wildfire (mike denny)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:42:33 -0700
>From: "Kelly Cassidy" <lostriver at completebbs.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Are we birders one of a feather?
>To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <000001c6c7bd$d47fced0$fd987e40 at CASSIDY>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I listened to NPR's Talk of the Nation this afternoon on my drive home from
>work. The subject of the show was tipping, featuring a waiter and waitress
>as guests. The talk turned to stereotypes involving good vs bad tippers.
>
>
>
>The waitress told of how she had once worked on Block (?) Island in New
>England. The area was scheduled to host some type of birding event. Her
>fellow wait-staff persons moaned and groaned, saying that birders were
>terrible tippers. She scoffed. Then they all showed up. Her conclusion.
>Birders are CHEAP!!! I'm conveying her emphasis on the word. (or maybe she
>meant CHEEP).
>
>
>
>Now, I despise the whole tipping system, but always considered myself a
>fairly generous tipper. I had a mother who relied on tips for many years
>when I was a youngster. Although after learning from the show that 20% is
>now considered the standard tip, maybe I'm CHEEPER than I thought.
>
>
>
>Not meaning to start an off-topic discussion of tipping on tweeters, but
>rather to comment on how remarkable it is that birders (if this waitress is
>to be believed) could be so predictably categorized for a particular
>behavior. Based on past tweeters discussions of, say, politics or religion
>when those were allowed, the birders on tweeters seemed to be a very
>diverse
>group.
>
>
>
>Perhaps there is a personality type drawn to birding, independent of
>political or religeous views, which includes the trait of thriftiness. Or
>maybe it's because birders get into the habit of carrying sack lunches.
>
>
>
>Kelly Cassidy
>
>Pullman, WA
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net>
>Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Are we birders one of a feather?
>To: Kelly Cassidy <lostriver at completebbs.com>
>Cc: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58L0.0608241354320.22421 at zipcon.net>
>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
>HI Kelly et al:
> NOPE, the waitpeople are right, Birders (and environmentalists in
>general) are cheapskates! As someone who follows the publishing business
>closely (especially natural history books) birders et al. have a
>reputation for being cheap. Until recently publishers were wary of
>printing bird books because they didn't sell. And if you at the market
>today it is still dominated by a few publishers mainly Yale/Princeton (and
>the Britsh company Helm/ACBlack) and Houghton Mifflin. How many birders
>out in tweeterland are old enough to remember Pacific Search magazine? It
>went belly-up and the publisher blamed it on cheap enviro-types. Also
>independant natural history booksellers don't like to carry bird books
>(especially used/out-of-print ones) because they don't sell. Birders go
>on-line and look for the cheapest copies (non-natural history booksellers
>also complain about the internet but that's another story). Gardening
>books sell better than bird books! True we buy expensive optics (but not
>very often) and travel but apparently we feel that being economical will
>help the environment. I feel that the only way to beat this bad reputation
>is to go out and spend (if you can afford to).
>
>--
>
>Ian Paulsen
>Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
>A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
>"Rallidae all the way!"
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:34:51 -0700
>From: "mike denny" <m.denny at charter.net>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Columbia Co. Mountain Quail
>To: "tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>, "Inland NW Birders"
> <inland-nw-birders at uidaho.edu>
>Cc: Paul Wik <p_wik at yahoo.com>
>Message-ID: <000301c6c7d5$e5aab810$0886bd44 at BLACKBIRD>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
> reply-type=original
>
>Hello All,
>Early this morning while driving back off the far south end of Biscuit
>Ridge
>Rd. coming from one of several fires in Columbia Co. I observed a single
>adult Mountain Quail run down the road in front of me and then off into the
>ditch. This is the first Mountain Quail I have ever seen in Columbia
>County.
>Later Mike
>
>********************************************************************
>Mike & MerryLynn Denny
>1354 S. E. Central Ave.
>College Place, WA 99324
>509.529.0080 (h)
>
>IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BIRDING, YOU HAVEN'T LIVED!
>*******************************************************************
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jeni Gray <jfg2020 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Kittiwake in Lilliwaup?
>To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Message-ID: <20060825020255.99335.qmail at web35508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Jeni
>Lilliwaup, WA
> jfg2020 at yahoo.com
>
> Greetings,
> On Saturday evening August 19th at 8:30PM I was driving home through
>Lilliwaup and spotted a small flock (about 6 to 8) birds in the inlet. At
>first they looked like small seagulls, but their movements were too fast.
>I checked them out with my binocs and had to look them up as I'd never seen
>them before in the 10 years I've lived here! They were "fishing", scooping
>up tiny fish on the incoming tide. According to the Stokes birdbook I had
>at the time, the description matched the Kittiwake.
> Were they passing through? Has anyone else seen them before?
> Thanks for any info! Jeni
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:03:40 +0000
>From: vogelfreund at comcast.net
>Subject: [Tweeters] Re: us cheapskares
>To: Tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Message-ID:
> <082520060203.24778.44EE5A7B000D2CBA000060CA22007348400B029A0A9D00040A090190 at comcast.net>
>
>
>====================
>8/24/06
>
>This poverty-stricken senior citizen has taken to mysteries instead of
>lavish bird books. Mystery novels cost a lot less and provide satisfying
>emntertainment.
>
>Phil Hotlen
>Bellingham, WA
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net>
> > HI Kelly et al:
> > NOPE, the waitpeople are right, Birders (and environmentalists in
> > general) are cheapskates! As someone who follows the publishing business
> > closely (especially natural history books) birders et al. have a
> > reputation for being cheap. Until recently publishers were wary of
> > printing bird books because they didn't sell. And if you at the market
> > today it is still dominated by a few publishers mainly Yale/Princeton
>(and
> > the Britsh company Helm/ACBlack) and Houghton Mifflin. How many birders
> > out in tweeterland are old enough to remember Pacific Search magazine?
>It
> > went belly-up and the publisher blamed it on cheap enviro-types. Also
> > independant natural history booksellers don't like to carry bird books
> > (especially used/out-of-print ones) because they don't sell. Birders go
> > on-line and look for the cheapest copies (non-natural history
>booksellers
> > also complain about the internet but that's another story). Gardening
> > books sell better than bird books! True we buy expensive optics (but not
> > very often) and travel but apparently we feel that being economical will
> > help the environment. I feel that the only way to beat this bad
>reputation
> > is to go out and spend (if you can afford to).
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ian Paulsen
> > Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> > A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> > "Rallidae all the way!"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tweeters mailing list
> > Tweeters at u.washington.edu
> > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:17:21 -0700
>From: "Nancy Hertzel" <autumn207 at comcast.net>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Washington Birdbox Report
>To: "'Tweeters'" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <001801c6c7ec$98dfc950$6401a8c0 at youro0kwkw9jwc>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>This is the Washington Birdbox report for Thursday, August 24, 2006.
>Birdbox is sponsored by the Washington Ornithological Society.
>
>
>Sunday, August 20, 12:55 PM
>Hi, this is Steven Mlodinow. Walked the Skagit Game Range headquarters
>area today. On the other dike, the one accessed from the boat launch,
>about a quarter mile down the trail, we had a NORTHERN WATERTHRUSH
>calling loudly; came in after awhile to pishing and Screech Owl
>imitations. After the trail gets into a situation where you can see over
>the marsh to your left with some scattered bushes out in the marsh, we
>had an ASH-THROATED FLYCATCHER at the top of one of the bushes. Also had
>a BULLOCK'S ORIOLE, which was somewhat late for the west side, and a
>CHESTNUT-BACKED CHICKADEE, a bird I see rather infrequently in this
>area, suggesting some movement. That's it. Good luck and good birding.
>
>Transcribed by Nancy Hertzel
>North Tacoma
>Autumn207 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:24:36 -0700
>From: "Charles Reinsch" <creinsch at kdna.org>
>Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: us cheapskares
>To: <vogelfreund at comcast.net>, <Tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <000301c6c7ed$9c8f9570$6401a8c0 at computername>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>
> >> How many birders
> >> out in tweeterland are old enough to remember Pacific Search magazine?
>It
> >> went belly-up and the publisher blamed it on cheap enviro-types.
>
>I have a big stack of them on the shelf directly behind me, as well as
>Audubon from the 80's. Any offers? Thanks, but I'm not ready to sell.
>
>chuck reinsch, magnolia, seattle, washington, creinsch at kdna.org
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:54:25 -0700
>From: "Valerie Elliott" <VElliott at msn.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] gray jays and clmate change/global warming effects
>To: "tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV87BA29DEF3117F737F70FD0450 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I thought some of you might find this article on the effects of global
>warming and gray jays. Something we should think more about for other
>species and climate change.
>
>http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L20870844.htm
>
>Valerie Elliott
>Olympia, WA
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:32:33 -0700
>From: "Valerie Elliott" <VElliott at msn.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Coming Soon: Swift Nights Out!
>To: "tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV73769ED6F5606450140F0D0450 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Even though I missed the first August date, hopefully someone can
>participate on the September dates.
>
>Valerie Elliott
>Olympia, WA.
>
>Subject: Coming Soon: Swift Nights Out!
>
>
>Greetings!
>
>For the sixth year, the Driftwood Wildlife Association will be hosting "A
>SWIFT NIGHT OUT."
>
>As summer draws to a close and the swifts have finished raising their
>young, these fascinating aerial acrobats begin to congregate in communal
>roosts prior to their migration in the fall. Some roosts may consist of an
>extended family group of a half a dozen birds or so, but the larger sites
>can host hundreds or even thousands of swifts! We encourage you to involve
>your local Audubon chapters, bird clubs, scout groups and neighbors in this
>exhilarating spectacle.
>
>Here is how it works: Keep your eyes to the skies at dusk and watch for
>areas where swifts are feeding. Look for a tall shaft, chimney or similar
>structure to locate where Chimney Swifts (central to east coast or Vaux's
>Swift (Pacific coast) go to roost in your area.
>
>On one night over the weekend of August 11, 12, 13, and/or September 8, 9,
>10 observe the roost starting about 30 minutes before dusk and estimate the
>number of swifts that enter. When you have your number, contact us with
>your results. That's all there is to it!
>
>For more information and results, please visit our web site:
>www.chimneyswifts.org and click on the "Swift Night Out" link.
>
>Please pass this message along to any listserves or other groups that you
>think might be interested.
>
>We look forward to hearing from you!
>
>Best Regards,
>Paul and Georgean
>
>Paul D. and Georgean Z. Kyle
>Driftwood Wildlife Association
>1206 West 38th, Suite 1105
>Austin, Texas 78705
>
>Visit our web site: www.chimneyswifts.org
>
>Thanks to our friends at Travis Audubon Society for sending out this
>message for us. Please visit their Web site: www.travisaudubon.org
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>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:38:58 -0700
>From: "Ruth and/or Patrick Sullivan" <godwit513 at msn.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Am.Redstart at Nisqually NWR 8-24-06
>To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV81920690C303DCC73A931F4450 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>Hello Tweets,
>
>Today we enjoyed a nice day by walking the entire "loop" trail at the
>Nisqually NWR between 1pm-6pm. Our route began by birding the riparian area
>between the main building to the Nisqually River,then continuing north
>along the Nisqually River to the Nisqually Delta during incoming tide. We
>made a final walk of the wetland areas along the McAllister Creek Trail
>then looping our way back to the main parking lot. It was a great day
>filled with good amounts of passerines,especially along the boardwalk to
>the Nisqually River behind the main building. Additional passerine
>movements were encountered further north to the Nisqually River
>Overlook,but areas further north were quite slow.
>
>We and many other birders/enthusiasts today were unable to relocate the
>Snowy Egret,despite thorough searching along McAllister Creek and it is
>likely he bird did move on since it was feeding so actively the previous
>days. We however would not be surprised if the bird reappeared!
>
>Our main highlight of the day went to an immature female AMERICAN REDSTART
>observed well amongst a movement of 15 Warbling Vireos(including several
>bright individuals)along the boardwalk to the Nisqually River behind the
>main or headquarters building. The bird was viewed at 1:15pm,as an intense
>group of Warbling Vireos worked a limited riparian area along the boardwalk
>with the Am.Redstart feeding more in denser habitat than the other birds.
>As the feeding activity continued much of the group of birds drifted or
>worked to other riparian areas until the entire flock had moved on
>completely. A group of 6 Western Wood Pewees and 2 Black-headed Grosbeaks
>were also present at this same location,as was a single CASSIN'S VIREO. The
>Am.Redstart was a total surprise at this particular location,as well as a
>quality Thurston Co. species and apparently the first record for the
>Nisqually NWR! We hadn't expected such a good variety of passerines today
>due to the time of day,but were plea!
> sed by what we did encounter!
>
>
>As we continued northward to the Nisqually Delta we encountered slower
>birding conditions and some scoping along the immediate shoreline was
>possible,but heat waves made it impossible to identify most species,despite
>the incoming tide. As we worked our way around the outer dike we located
>the family of California Quail just north of the boardwalk along McAllister
>Creek. We first noted the adult male watching guard along the sun-exposed
>trail edge with the adult female and several young in thick brambles,which
>we did not get an accurate count on. As we continued south and passing the
>boardwalk we encountered good numbers of Western Sandpipers gathered in a
>tight flock within the wetland area close to the trail. Further examination
>of the drying shorebird habitat revealed additional shorebird species,as we
>scoped from several vantage points along the trail with good lighting
>conditions. Our return walk back to the main parking lot didn't produce
>anything additional of note. A !
> list of additional highlights of the day at the Nisqually NWR include the
>following:
>
>1 Am.Bittern(photographed at close range at the Ring Dike Trail catching a
>young Bull Frog)
>5 Wood Ducks
>15 Green-winged Teal
>20 Northern Pintail
>3 Gadwall
>200+ Common Mergansers(Nisqually Delta)
>1 Osprey
>3 Bald Eagles
>2 Northern Harriers
>1 Cooper's Hawk
>14 Virginia Rails(heard only beginning along the Primitive Trail north to
>outer dike Trail just west of the Nisqually Delta Overlook)
>13 Semipalmated Plovers
>16 Greater Yellowlegs
>1 Lesser Yellowlegs
>475+ Western Sandpipers
>90+ Least Sandpipers
>4 Baird's Sandpipers(3 birds along the McAllister Creek Trail and 1 bird at
>the Nisqually Delta)
>2 Short-billed Dowitchers
>3 Wilson's Snipe
>200+ Bonaparte's Gulls(observed foraging along the current line at the
>Nisqually Reach)
>1 Mourning Dove
>14+ Vaux's Swifts
>1 Olive-sided Flycatcher
>12 Western Wood Pewees
>8 Willow Flycatchers(including one juvenile bird resting at very close
>range along the sun-exposed trail north of the Nisqually River Overlook)
>1 Pacific-slope Flycatcher
>7 Purple Martins
>3 Chestnut-backed Chickadees
>3 Brown Creepers
>4 Swainson's Thrushes
>38 Warbling Vireos
>17 Yellow Warblers
>6 Black-throated Gray Warblers
>13 Wilson's Warblers
>10 Western Tanagers
>1 juvenile Spotted Towhee
>6 Purple Finches
>
>
>
>Good birding,
>
>Ruth and Patrick Sullivan
>Fircrest,WA
>godwit513 at msn.com
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:44:02 -0700
>From: "Michael Hobbs" <birdmarymoor at verizon.net>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park Report (Redmond, King Co., WA)
> 2006-08-23
>To: "Tweeters \(E-mail\)" <TWEETERS at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <018301c6c7f8$b54b36e0$9b01a8c0 at McCoury>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> reply-type=original
>
>Tweets - yesterday was quiet under dark skies. Oh, for rain! It might
>liven things up. We had hours of nothing punctuated by moments of
>activity.
>
>Highlights, such as they were:
>
>We had one mixed flock near the south end of the Dog Area, featuring one
>WARBLING VIREO, one BLACK-HEADED GROSBEAK, one ORANGE-CROWNED WARBLER, and
>one WILSON'S WARBLER; we saw no more of any of those species the rest of
>the
>day.
>
>We had one mixed flock at the Rowing Club, with two YELLOW WARBLERS (one
>adult male, one immature/female) and an immature/female BLACK-THROATED GRAY
>WARBLER.
>
>Probably the same 2 juvenile COOPER'S HAWKS traveling together early in the
>morning as last week, and again an adult Coop at the Community Gardens
>early.
>
>WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW numbers are picking up, with about 6 seen, all
>juveniles. WCSP were pretty much completely unreported from Marymoor
>through June and July.
>
>Well over 100 HOUSE FINCH were feeding on the grass fields north of the
>east
>end of Snag Row. There were about 20 KILLDEER there, but (alas) no
>Buff-breasted Sandpiper.
>
>We had four COMMON MERGANSERS (immature/female), our first since early
>June.
>
>An eminantly forgettable day.
>
>== Michael Hobbs
>== Kirkland, WA
>== http://www.marymoor.org/birding.htm
>== birdmarymoor at verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:46:36 -0700
>From: "Valerie Elliott" <VElliott at msn.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] 5th Edition of Nat'l Geo Birds
>To: "tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV27148B34E9361AE3F23C8D0450 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>The 5th edition of the National Geographic Field Guide, edited by Jon Dunn
>and Jonathan Alderfer, is set for publication in early November. This is a
>significant revision. It can be pre-ordered through the American Birding
>Association bookstore/sales.
>
>Valerie Elliott
>Olympia, WA.
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>Message: 13
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Gary Bletsch <garybletsch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Skagit Solitary Sand seen by cheap birder
>To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Message-ID: <20060825040656.89244.qmail at web51314.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>Dear Tweeters,
>
>The Solitary Sandpiper was at the little pond west of
>Lyman (SR 20 milepost 73.8 in Skagit County) again
>today, identified by a cheapskate birder.
>
>Generalizations are tricky, and maybe a waiter would
>say that birders are parsimonious tippers.
>
>I'd say that birders are not really "cheap." It's just
>that, unlike the majority of Americans, most birders
>are not mindless consumers. Most birders I know do not
>go deeply into debt to buy unnecessarily expensive
>cars, boats, houses, and so forth. Most birders I know
>are well-educated people who choose not to blunder
>blithely down the consumeristic path of big-box
>excess. I don't know what the American economy would
>look like if everybody acted the way birders do. It
>might be interesting to conjecture, though.
>
>
>Yours truly,
>
>Gary Bletsch
>
>near Lyman (Skagit County), Washington
>
>garybletsch at yahoo.com
>
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:11:26 EDT
>From: MurrayH at aol.com
>Subject: [Tweeters] cheapskates
>To: Tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Message-ID: <473.54b4f9b.321fd26e at aol.com>
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>Being one myself--a poverty-stricken senior, that is--I love mysteries.
>My
>favorite mystery author is P.D. James. I suspect that all of my
>until-now new birding friends will add other favorites in other genres,
>such as
>espionage, the western, and of course SciFi like "Dune" and the scary
>Koontz and
>the incredible Stephen King. (I still think that Cujo was the hero of the
>book by the same name! ) and then, of course, there's the delightful
>series
>out of Botswana.
> About our bird books--we find them where--and pay for them when
>we
>can--I still have my first issue of Continental Birdlife and I'm sure we
>all
>have very special books, collected over the years. Since that time, the
>bird
>books published are enormous: Nat'l. Geog., more Petersons, the Stokes 2,
>Sibley's 4, Kaufman's 4--good heavens--
> Our cup runneth over . . . Good birdiing,
> Murray Joanne Hansen
>
>
>
>
>(Mrs.) Murray Hansen
>Graham, WA
>MurrayH at aol.com
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>Message: 15
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Kathy Andrich <chukarbird at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Are we birders one of a feather?
>To: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net>, Kelly Cassidy
> <lostriver at completebbs.com>
>Cc: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
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>Hi Ian and Tweeters,
>
>As well as being cheap some of us notice the weirdest
>things and I noticed this is about the longest posting
>I have ever seen from Ian. I don't recall seeing such
>a long Ian post before.
>
>One of my early birding guru's always stressed
>spending money when you go places to bird and if
>appropriate to let folks know you are there to enjoy
>their birdlife.
>
>A little birding note, I was one day late for the
>Snowy Egret at Nisqually. Darn, but I got a nice late
>summer walk in.
>
>Kathy
>Roosting in S King Couny
>
>--- Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net> wrote:
>
> > HI Kelly et al:
> > NOPE, the waitpeople are right, Birders (and
> > environmentalists in
> > general) are cheapskates! As someone who follows the
> > publishing business
> > closely (especially natural history books) birders
> > et al. have a
> > reputation for being cheap. Until recently
> > publishers were wary of
> > printing bird books because they didn't sell. And if
> > you at the market
> > today it is still dominated by a few publishers
> > mainly Yale/Princeton (and
> > the Britsh company Helm/ACBlack) and Houghton
> > Mifflin. How many birders
> > out in tweeterland are old enough to remember
> > Pacific Search magazine? It
> > went belly-up and the publisher blamed it on cheap
> > enviro-types. Also
> > independant natural history booksellers don't like
> > to carry bird books
> > (especially used/out-of-print ones) because they
> > don't sell. Birders go
> > on-line and look for the cheapest copies
> > (non-natural history booksellers
> > also complain about the internet but that's another
> > story). Gardening
> > books sell better than bird books! True we buy
> > expensive optics (but not
> > very often) and travel but apparently we feel that
> > being economical will
> > help the environment. I feel that the only way to
> > beat this bad reputation
> > is to go out and spend (if you can afford to).
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ian Paulsen
> > Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
> > A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
> > "Rallidae all the way!"
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>Message: 16
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:53:15 -0700
>From: "Rob Sandelin" <floriferous at msn.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Birders in the local economies
>To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <BAY0-SMTP079438F8A8A4CA2CCB6773A3450 at phx.gbl>
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>I was eating breakfast in Forks, WA awhile ago and in the booth behind me a
>couple pairs of locals were talking about tourists. One guy complained
>about
>tourists, the other three locals jumped on his case and rattled off 25
>people they knew who made their living off visitors. Apparently there is
>even an old lady bird guide who brings in business to the local
>restaurants. The rest of the conversation was dominated by how much the
>town
>depended on nature to attract people and a general denouncing of "dumbass
>loggers". Well, I sure left that place with a different attitude.
>
>
>Rob Sandelin
>Naturalist, Writer
>The Environmental Science School
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>Message: 17
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net>
>Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Are we birders one of a feather?
>To: Kathy Andrich <chukarbird at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58L0.0608242254090.6753 at zipcon.net>
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>HI:
> That's right, I'm cheap with words too!!!!!
>
>--
>
>Ian Paulsen
>Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
>A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
>"Rallidae all the way!"
>
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>Message: 18
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:44:45 -0700
>From: "Gary Shugart" <gwshugart at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] updated Slater Museum bird wing collection
>To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Cc: jmiller at ups.edu
>Message-ID: <BAY114-F449319B23F84784212A5DB1450 at phx.gbl>
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>Hi Tweeters: Over the summer the Slater Museum staff, especially Jason
>Miller, have been updating and adding to the online wing collection
>(digitalcollections.ups.edu/slatermuseum). The interface is now searchable
>with some custom and advanced search options. Any comments, suggestions,
>requests are welcome. Over the fall and winter I plan on adding
>additional
>wings illustrating variation and examples of molt limits. The latter are
>useful for banders.
>
>The software we are using is ContentDM and it has a few quirks, see
>www.ups.edu/5662.xml for an overview of the search capabilities, and
>www.ups.edu/11965.xml, for comments on digital imaging and color rendering.
>Sorry for the numeric addresses - the University's idea for ease of use.
>
>Gary Shugart
>Collections Manager
>Slater Museum of Natural History
>University of Puget Sound
>Tacoma, WA 98416
>253 879-3356 (museum) 206 463-2169 (home)
>gshugart at ups.edu, gwshugart at hotmail.com
>http://www.ups.edu/slatermuseum.xml
>http://digitalcollections.ups.edu
>
>
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>Message: 19
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:38:17 -0700
>From: Harry Nehls <hnehls at teleport.com>
>Subject: [Tweeters] RBA: Portland, OR 8-24-06
>To: RBA <hnehls at teleport.com>
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>- RBA
>* Oregon
>* Portland
>* August 24, 2006
>* ORPO0608.24
>
>- birds mentioned
>
>Snowy Egret
>Red-shouldered Hawk
>Wandering Tattler
>Stilt Sandpiper
>Ruff
>Red-necked Phalarope
>South Polar Skua
>Common Tern
>Short-eared Owl
>Vauxs Swift
>American three-toed Woodpecker
>Swainsons Thrush
>Brewers Sparrow
>Bobolink
>
>- transcript
>
>Hotline: Portland Oregon Audubon RBA (weekly)
>number: 503-292-6855
>To report: Harry Nehls 503-233-3976 <hnehls at teleport.com>
>compiler: Harry Nehls
>coverage: entire state
>
>Hello, this is the Audubon Society of Portland Rare Bird Report. This
>report
>was made Thursday August 24. If you have anything to add call Harry Nehls
>at
>503-233-3976.
>
>A heavy surge of migrant shorebirds passed through the state during the
>week, including large numbers of RED-NECKED PHALAROPES. The first nocturnal
>wave of SWAINSONS THRUSHES was reported, and numbers of VAUXS SWIFTS are
>now gathering at Willamette Valley chimneys.
>
>An early SHORT-EARED OWL was seen August 21 at New River, south of Bandon.
>On August 22 a RUFF was seen at the South Jetty of the Siuslaw River. Among
>the many seabirds seen on the August 20 offshore trip out of Newport was a
>SOUTH POLAR SKUA. A RED-SHOULDERED HAWK was seen August 22 on Cascade Head,
>north of Lincoln City. On August 22 a STILT SANDPIPER was at Stanley Lake
>in
>Seaside.
>
>A completely out of place WANDERING TATTLER was seen August 22 foraging on
>streets and lawns in Dallas, west of Salem. A BREWERS SPARROW was at
>Pioneer Villa Sewage Ponds near Brownsville August 18. A juvenile SNOWY
>EGRET is now being seen at Fern Ridge Reservoir. A COMMON TERN was there
>August 23. On August 18 a RED-SHOULDERED HAWK was at Lost Lake in Santiam
>Pass.
>
>On August 19 a STILT SANDPIPER was at Tumalo Reservoir, west of Bend. On
>August 23 a flock of about 110 BOBOLINKS was near Paulina. An unexpected
>AMERICAN THREE-TOED WOODPECKER was seen August 18 at Walton Lake in the
>Ochoco Mountains.
>
>Thats it for this week.
>
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>Message: 20
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:17:22 EDT
>From: Scrubjay323 at aol.com
>Subject: [Tweeters] Nisqually NWR 8/24/06
>To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
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>Tweets,
>
>Yesterday 11 of us enjoyed a nice walk at Nisqually, again going out to the
>photo blind on the McAllister Creek side and not going to the ring dike.
>This
>time we were looking (in vain) for the SNOWY EGRET that had been seen there
>recently. Alas, no luck. It was not seen at all yesterday.
>
>We did have a good day highlighted by four BAIRD'S SANDPIPERS flying in to
>the exposed mud at McAllister Creek where the trail from the parking lot
>intersects the McAllister Creek trail. We also got good comparison looks at
> GREAT
>and LESSER YELLOWLEGS as they foraged near each other near the photo
>blind.
>
>The wooded areas were fairly quiet when we got there but we had good looks
>at a DOWNEY WOODPECKER and RED-BREASTED SAPSUCKER working the same small
>trees
>at the same time. First time I've seen two different species of woodpeckers
>in such close proximity.
>
>We also saw a couple of VAUX'S SWIFTS over the visitor center as we
>finished
>the walk about 1:00 PM. Swallow numbers were down but all the species were
>present.
>
>All told we had 48 species for the day with the BAIRD'S SANDPIPERS being
>new
>for the year.
>
>Mammals seen included a MINK, a COYOTE pup, and a RACOON. The COYOTE
>clearly
>needs some guidance if it is to survive, as it wasn't afraid of us at all
>as
>it sat near the trail at the willows on the way to McAllister Creek.
>
>Until next week...
>
>Phil Kelley
>Lacey, WA
>scrubjay323 at aol.com
>360-459-1499
>
>" We were few and they were many. Now we are many and they are few"
>Confucius
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>Message: 21
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:39:28 -0700
>From: "mike denny" <m.denny at charter.net>
>Subject: [Tweeters] Massive Bird Habitat loss due to wildfire
>To: "Inland NW Birders" <inland-nw-birders at uidaho.edu>, "tweeters"
> <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
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>Hello All,
>Just returned from one of the fires in Columbia Co. and we now know that
>several of the most important Neo-tropical Migratory Bird breeding areas in
>Southeastern Washington have gone up in flames. The most devastating fire
>is
>called the Pyne Hollow Fire and to date it has burned 67,000 acres and is
>still growing! Bird habitat losses will take years to recover. The loss of
>many riparian creek bottoms and dense black hawthorn scrub forests will
>have
>a huge impact on many dependant species. The cost to the humans in the area
>is not slight either. This fire is on private lands and is being fought by
>the DNR and Columbia Co. fire folks.
>Later Mike
>
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>Mike & MerryLynn Denny
>1354 S. E. Central Ave.
>College Place, WA 99324
>509.529.0080 (h)
>
>IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BIRDING, YOU HAVEN'T LIVED!
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