Hey tweets, so what's in Alaska? Sooty or Dusky or both? Also, I am
breathing a big sigh of relief that AOS hasn't split the crossbills (yet). -
Connie, Seattle

csidles at isomedia.com

on 7/7/06 8:57 AM, Eugene and Nancy Hunn at enhunn323 at comcast.net wrote:

> Tweets,
>
> Good question about just where the line is between Sooty and Dusky Grouse in
> Washington. the map in the Barrowclough et al. article that Mike Patterson
> posted indicates that the boundary is along the Okanogan River valley, which
> makes a certain amount of biogeographic sense. However, their pie charts of
> gene flow suggests quite a strong influence from east to west into the
> northern Cascades in Okanogan County. We'll all have to look more closely at
> our Blue Grouse. In Jewett et al. three subspecies are mapped. I presume
> that more-or-less "fuliginosus" and "sierrae" subspecies are included in the
> Sooty Grouse species while "pallidus" is in the Dusky Grouse species.
> Intergrades or "hybrids" are perhaps frequent west of the Okanogan River
> into the Cascades.
>
> Gene Hunn
> 18476 47th Pl. NE
> Lake Forest Park, WA
> enhunn323 at comcast.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Bartels" <mattxyz at earthlink.net>
> To: "Tweeters email list" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:22 PM
> Subject: [Tweeters] Other AOU changes besides Blue Grouse
>
>
>> Hi all -
>> Thanks to Ryan's post, I just lost some time perusing the latest AOU
>> decisionmaking about the List.
>> Here are a couple more changes, for those who enjoy such tidbits - This is
>> all just my understanding based on a brief reading, so be sure to check
>> out the actual report if you want actual details....
>>
>> Basically, the Blue Grouse split is the news as far as species goes, but
>> lots of other changes are included.
>>
>> In several places, the order of the list has been reorganized.
>> *Within shorebirds, several genera are moved into Tringa, with a resulting
>> shuffling of the order of the shorebird listings.
>> *Jaegers & Skuas are moved out of Laridae and into their own family, just
>> before Alcids on the list.
>> *Lots of shifting & genus renaming within the Terns [in general, Sterna
>> gets split up into many old genera names]
>> *I think our cuckoos get swapped in their ordering on the list, too
>>
>> *Finally, we can now look forward to non-countable records of African
>> Collared-Dove instead of Ringed Turtle-Dove [I bet Ned didn't realize he
>> was reporting an African Collared-Dove at Marymoor last week!]
>>
>> What's a person who tries to keep an orderly list to do? I think I'll
>> leave these shuffles for the fall round of the WA Birder checklist, since
>> the Summer checklist is ready to be distributed.... Beyond that, soon the
>> new books will be re-arranged.....
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Matt Bartels
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> PS - If anyone has the urge to dismiss all this info as just a 'listers'
>> game, I encourage you to take a look at the reports to see some of the
>> interesting references to the research that has informed all these 'minor'
>> shifts....
>>
>>> Looks like Washington gains a species through a split. Blue Grouse has
>>> been split into Sooty Grouse - Dendragapus fuliginosus, and Dusky
>>> Grouse - Dendragapus obscurus.
>>>
>>> Sooty Grouse would be the Coastal to the Cascades species, where the Dusky
>>> Grouse would be SE Washington, ie Blue Mts, and I believe North Central-NE
>>> part of the state..
>>>
>>> Check out the following link for more information. Sibley has both
>>> illustrated in his field guide as separate races of Blue Grouse.
>>>
>>> http://www.aou.org/checklist/Suppl47.pdf
>>>
>>> Ryan Shaw
>>> Lakewood WA
>>> rtshaw80 at hotmail.com
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