You can make an argument that protecting ANYTHING natural can be detrimental
to some human endeavors. That argument, taken to it's extreme, leads to why
protect any birds, or any animals? Ravens are a part of a complex system of
life, a system that has developed over millennia and one in which we barely
know much about the interactions of even the most well studying species of
animals. What roles do ravens have in the scavenger community of the NW? How
abundant are they? There are hundreds of things we do not know, so to
remove them simply from ignorant prejudice, not only violates the law, it
violates intelligent stewardship. The function of wildlife laws are to
support intelligent, science based stewardship. Without these laws, the
ignorant and self serving destroy things they do not understand and they
damage the resource which belongs to all of us.


Rob Sandelin
Naturalist, Writer
The Environmental Science School
http://www.nonprofitpages.com/nica/SVE.htm
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-----Original Message-----
From: tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu
[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly
McAllister
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:31 PM
To: Tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Ravens!!

I don't know the conventional wisdom but me and another local Puget Sound
lowlands biologist believe that Ravens are on the increase in the lowlands
and have been for quite some time. Interestingly, I was asked by a lawyer,
some years ago, to explain why it was a concern that her client had killed
Ravens. The client, an organization, had been cited for killing crows and
ravens. The lawyer had a pretty good argument concerning crows, appealing to
the judge (or jury, I'm not sure which) that they were over-abundant and
harmful to many aspects of modern life. Ravens, on the other hand, were more
difficult for this lawyer to get a handle on. So, she was asking why we
should be concerned about illegal killing of ravens. I know what my response
was. I'd be curious how others would have responded.

Kelly McAllister
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawn Bailey" <dawnsdog at rainierconnect.com>
To: <Tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: [Tweeters] Ravens!!


> Hi Tweets,
>
> When I got home this evening 14 Ravens flew over our house. This is a
> record for me, as the most was two flocks of 6 two years ago on the 1st of

> the year.
>
> I did see 4 fledged Ravens about a month ago, so they are staying around
> and raising young right here finally.
>
> Very cool!
>
>
> Dawn Bailey
> Eatonville, WA
> dawnsdog at rainierconnect.com
>
> "Life isn't a succession of urgent nows, but a listless trickle of why
> should I's?"
> ~ John Wilmot, Second Earl of Rochester
>
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