Hi Tweets

most birders I have known, myself included, question themselves all the time about bird ID's. This assures a mind open to the possibility of learning something new. An individual who sees only what s/he wants to see, and in this case calls raptors that are obviously NOT goshawks "goshawks" will not garner much credibility within the Tweeters community. Thank goodness.

The concern should be for those new to birding who might depend on someone like this to show them the way. Then again, since his single-minded interest is goshawks he probably wouldn't consider a novice birder worth his time. Which could be a good thing for the neophyte birder.

curiousity compelled me to visit the blog of this poor delusional guy. He sure is a huge fan of goshawks, 'cause that's all he sees. Even to the point that he denies that the first photo on his blog site, obviously a Cooper' hawk, is not. "It may look like a Cooper's hawk but it is not, it is a mature goshawk." Please.

While I can only hope he goes away soon, his blog has sure generated a lot of discussion and information regarding goshawks and their apparent rarity.

next thing ya know he's gonna try to tell us that Belle and Stewart are goshawks.

Susan in Renton



> 13. Re: Goshawk Blog (richard w mclachlin)> 19. Re: Re: Goshawk blog (Kelly McAllister)> 20. Re: Goshawk blog (Diann MacRae)> 21. Re: Re: Goshawk blog (Denny Granstrand)> 25. Re: Re: Goshawk blog (Russell Rogers)> 28. Re: Re: Goshawk blog (Rolan Nelson)> 29. Two cents' worth on Goshawks (Gary Bletsch)> 31. Re: Two cents' worth on Goshawks (Larry Schwitters)> Message: 13> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:26:20 GMT> From: "richard w mclachlin" <mclachlin at juno.com>> Subject: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk Blog> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <20071213.192620.21942.0 at webmail19.vgs.untd.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Jim Flynn is far too modest in his posting. Some ten years ago as a new member of Rainier Audubon I made a posting to the club seen/heard site, only to be contacted by Jim and gently guided towards what I "possibly really saw in my backyard feeders". A few days later I was able to verify his learned opinion as to a flock of red crossbills. I guess the lesson I'm sharing is, few birders are out there to "slam" anybody and it's quite possible somebody out there knows more about birds than you or I do. Thanks again Jim.> Richard & Louise McLachlin> mclachlin at juno.com> 425-644-7468> NewCastle, Washington.> ------------------------------> > > Message: 19> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:13:35 -0800> From: "Kelly McAllister" <mcallisters4 at comcast.net>> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk blog> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>> Message-ID: <005501c83e74$a9c900b0$6401a8c0 at Kellyscomputer>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > I agree with Jim Flynn. If someone posts a link to a website or blog, > inviting Tweeters subscribers to take a look, it's appropriate that Tweeters > subscribers who have a critique to share, go ahead and share it with the > group. It's not that different from someone posting a link to a picture of a > bird that want help identifying, having me post a message to the group > misidentifying it, and having others post messages correcting my > misidentification. It happens frequently and it's a growth experience for > everyone involved.> > And, now that I've totally discredited my own abilities, I'll mention that > I've been a fairly active and engaged birder (and wildlife biologist) in the > Puget Sound lowlands since 1980 with annual Christmas Bird Counts and > midwinter waterfowl inventories getting me for prolonged periods during the > winter. The only Northern Goshawks I've positively identified near sea level > in the Puget Sound region were immature birds, during winter. Both were in > the South Bay area north of Olympia, one hanging out looking at chickens in > a pen off of Lemon Road and the other perched on poles along the pier of the > old Naval facility on the Budd Inlet waterfront.> > Wahl, Tweit, and Mlodinow's "Birds of Washington" suggests rarity or > complete absence from the Puget lowlands, at least on the east side of Puget > Sound.> > I'd be among the first to admit that may be something amiss with the level > of effort and expertise that's been applied to the question in all areas of > the Puget Lowlands but I'd reject any suggestion that it's a regularly > occurring species throughout the region.> > You can believe the frequent sightings in the north Sound if you want to and > I can show you many other questionable information you may wish to believe, > like maps of sightings of wolves and grizzly bears from all over Washington > state and the maps of Lynx extending well into Oregon.> > > And I just had a bit of a dogfight between a crow and an accipiter outside > my window. Wonder what it was... a goshawk maybe? Yeah, that's it...> > Kelly McAllister> Olympia, Washington > ------------------------------> > Message: 20> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:05:38 -0800> From: Diann MacRae <tvulture at vei.net>> Subject: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk blog> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20071214100156.022055d8 at vei.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Hi, Tweets> > Just to put my two cents in: during the fifteen years I've been doing > a migration census at Salt Creek County Park, we have seen one > goshawk, years back. It certainly may have been one of the Olympic > goshawks we hear about, but since it was over the water, we counted > it. But whether it came from Vancouver Island, I don't know. They may > be in the Olympics, but we don't see them at sea level.> > Cheers, Diann> > ------------------------------> > Message: 21> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:19:01 -0800> From: Denny Granstrand <dgranstrand at charter.net>> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk blog> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071214101427.01edeea0 at charter.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed> > Hi Tweeters,> > I looked on the National Audubon Christmas Count website at the three > Tucson area Christmas Counts. For the years that I looked (three or > four for each count) there were no goshawks reported.> > I, too, was put off by the attitude displayed on the blog. "I'm > always right and you aren't going to teach me anything!" doesn't seem > to be the normal approach.> ------------------------------> > Message: 25> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:17 -0800> From: Russell Rogers <rrogers at olypen.com>> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk blog> To: Tweeters Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>> Message-ID: <CA7E75F8-48DA-4CDE-AA53-C20A6057869D at olypen.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed> > Tweeters,> > I have seen a handful of Goshawks in the Puget Lowlands (i.e. at or a > round sea level) in the past 15 years. Most have been immature birds > during winter months. I saw them twice in the urban habitat of West > Seattle in the mid 1990's.> > I have seen Goshawks only three times in the lowlands during breeding > season, all three times they were adult birds. The first was at > McChord AFB in 1997 or 1998, I don't remember the exact date. This > was a adult bird flying in circles above the tree tops (in > appropriate breeding habitat) giving a chattering call, which is > typically given in their home range. I saw another bird whiz through > the same location at light speed, below the tree tops the following > day or so. I never saw another Goshawk at McChord or Fort Lewis. I > have to conclude that they did not breed at that location as I spent > five full seasons there in the field nearly every day. If they were > breeding in the area, I would assume that I would have seen them more > often.> > The only other time that I saw one in the breeding season in the > Puget Lowlands was in my yard in Tumwater. in June of 2000 (I think). > It passed through, again at near light speed, just over my roof top. > I have a brief but very good look at it.> > I also recall that in the late 1990's a falconer had located a nest > in the South Puget Sound that was almost water side. As is often the > case with falconers, the exact location was never given up.> > Russell> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------> Message: 28> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:13:00 -0800 (PST)> From: Rolan Nelson <rnbuffle at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: Goshawk blog> To: Diann MacRae <tvulture at vei.net>, tweeters at u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <245675.31004.qm at web54204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > I'll chime in too.> > The only "westside" Goshawk I recall seeing was up at Deer Park south of Sequim, at a fairly high elevation. I recall we could look due west from there and see part of the Hurricane Ridge Road, so we were up fairly high. If memory serves, this was in May or June about 4 years ago and it was an adult. We spotted what I assume was the same bird in the same area about two weeks later.> > This was probably one of the Olympic birds Diann is referring to in her post.> > -Rolan> > > Message: 31> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:51:50 -0800> From: Larry Schwitters <lpatters at ix.netcom.com>> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Two cents' worth on Goshawks> To: Gary Bletsch <garybletsch at yahoo.com>> Cc: Tweeters at u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <94912aed8116bda78eaa7088add08c83 at ix.netcom.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed> > Gary,> > I think that the Goshawk guy's point is that you and everyone else have > probably been seeing lots of Goshawks but are not able to id them like > he can.> > Larry Schwitters> Issaquah
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