Thanks Carol. The responses sent to me personally concerning this have been
nothing but vile. Here are excerpts from some of my favorites.
"You are nothing but a tool of the fasciest(sic) military industrial complex
and the idiotic and paranoid governmental officials"
"Please don't tell me where and where not to point my camera - or I'll be
pointing something else at you" (I considered forwarding that one to
police).
"What a bunch of bullsh*t". I have every right to shoot pitchers(sic) of
whatever bildings(sic) I want. Your(sic) a sick **cking commie.
Here's my final word on the subject. Substitute "my house", "my business",
"my childs school" or "the local playground" for "Boeing Facilities" in the
sentence "Don't point your camera at Boeing Facilities as this may raise
security concerns and cause Boeing Security to investigate". A little
different? Wouldn't you actually be outraged if someone was pointing a
camera at your house/business/kid's school/playground and you called the
police to investigate and they did nothing? But of course this IS evil
Boeing that, as Carol kindly points out, is trying to accomodate birders and
others by allowing access through their property to connect two public
facilities. The point is that there is a fine line between right and
privelege and I see more and more bad behavior by birders lately in
incidents abusing public rights of way, illegal parking, trespassing and
even harassing wildlife to get the next good shot or locate a bird. Try
being a little self righteous and a little more thoughful and you'll help
everyone out.
And, as Carol points out, this is not just about national security issues,
it is also about protecting intellectual property and other things. The
real threat that Boeing deals with is Industrial Espionage - it is real,
active, and a true threat to their business - they have as much right to
protect that as you have to photograph from public spaces - balance and
common sense are so much nicer than rabid overreaction - no?
Cheers and excellent birding to all
Rob
Rob Conway
Newcastle and Preston, WA
robin_birder at hotmail.com
>From: "Lynn Schulz" <linusq at worldnet.att.net>
>To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Fw: [Tweeters] Photography / Birding / Scoping Security Issues
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:23:39 -0800
>
>Hi Tweets:
>I'm retired from Boeing. They have legitimate security concerns. We CROSS
>BOEING PROPERTY and their runway in order to get to the viewing platform at
>the Kayak Ctr at the mouth of the Cedar River. Boeing is also allowing the
>City of Renton to build a boardwalk from Coulon Park to the mouth of the
>Cedar River right in front of their big Boeing buildings (at least this is
>proposed for the future). Their security people are usually pretty nice,
>and things change there all the time due to recent security alerts. This
>is not just about industrial secrets.
>Lets be nice, say ok, and calmly walk away, so that we can continue to
>access the Kayak Center pier?
>Yours, Carol Schulz, Des Moines, linusq at att.net
>----- Original Message -----
>From: carenp
>To: Tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:32 PM
>Subject: [Tweeters] Photography / Birding / Scoping Security Issues
>
>
>one of the things i carry with me EVERYWHERE when i photograph is what in
>essence is a "bill of rights" created by a fellow photographer who just
>happens to be a top-notch attorney at law... the website is located at
>http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm . the website includes this quote:
> "...As the [ACLU] flyer states, there are not very many legal
>restrictions on what can be photographed when in public view. Most attempts
>at restricting photography are done by lower-level security and law
>enforcement officials acting way beyond their authority. Note that neither
>the Patriot Act nor the Homeland Security Act have any provisions that
>restrict photography..."
>
>in other words, if you are on boeing property and they ask you to stop,
>they are well within their rights to do require you to stop. if you are at
>gene coulon, or the cedar river outflow, or any other public location,
>including standing on sidewalks in front of <any> building, they have ZERO
>legal right to stop you... they may call the police to press charges. if
>so, let them. wrongful detention and harrassment can be punished so it
>will not happen again.
>
>support your rights by knowing what they are, then standing up for them.
>the world will thank you.
>00 carenhttp://www.parkgallery.orggeorge davis creek, north forkps: i'm
>sure mr victor and company are probably wishing this subject would go away.
>anyone wishing to discuss it in private, feel free to email me IN
>private... i'll do my best to sit on my hands in public as long as someone
>doesn't make a statement requiring rebuttal for being Way Off-Base... i
>promise :)
>
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