kinda like 'mom' vs. female parental unit. :)

regards,

dave templeton
fall city

crazydave65atinboxdotcom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: northraven at cox.net
> Sent: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:58:27 -0400
> To: gos at tds.net
> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] OT - Why do birders insist on using outdated
> info?
>
> exactly, and this really is not about out-dated information, it is about
> names, historical versus bureaucratically imposed. I'm 58, & when I've
> known a place by a certain name since early childhood, I really don't
> accept that some organization gets to decide that my lifetime of
> experience is wrong. in addition, think about saying UBNA aloud, then
> say "the Fill" -- the same with "Dime Lot"as opposed to "E-5 lot" --
> one flows easily off the tongue, the other requires more linguistic
> effort. to establish formal names for places to make them fit the
> larger bureaucratic order is fine, as formalisms to fit in that
> structure. but to expect that doing so will or should change local
> culture is both contrary to human nature and, I opine, very presumptuous.
> chris kessler
> seattle
>
>
> Clarence C. Lupo wrote:
>> For the same reason some of us call Edwards Air Force Base "Muroc Air
>> Base".
>> Sometimes the first name describes best what we are looking at, and
>> reminds us of the true roots and heritage of the areas.
>>
>> Clarence
>> Cinebar, WA.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Brett Wolfe <mailto:m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>
>> *To:* Tweeters <mailto:tweeters at u.washington.edu>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 26, 2007 6:38 PM
>> *Subject:* [Tweeters] OT - Why do birders insist on using outdated
>> info?
>>
>> Hiya tweets,
>>
>> This question is not meant to upset folks, but to try to
>> understand why so many people insist on using outdated information.
>>
>> The Union Bay Natural Area (aka UBNA) has zero signs which mention
>> that it used to be called the Montlake Fill. I know it is a nice
>> short name, but it isn't right, not anymore. I find it amazing
>> that if one was to ask anyone at the University of Washington,
>> which is the entity that manages the UBNA, I doubt any of them
>> would even know the term Montlake Fill, much less use it in
>> everyday language. The folks at the Center for Urban Horticulture
>> were, in their words, "appalled" that anyone still called it 'the
>> Fill'.
>>
>> To take it a step further, for those that insist on calling the
>> UBNA by the old name, why do you still say Dime Lot for the E-5
>> parking lot? Anyone who hasn't lived in Seattle for 20 years has
>> no idea what the heck the "Dime lot" is unless it is explained
>> that it is an old, dilapidated name for the E-5 lot.
>>
>> It actually bothered me that when I reported the Lapland Longspur
>> there a few weeks back, I had at least 3 different people ask me
>> where the UBNA was located. In every case, they were some old-time
>> Seattleite who still called it the Fill. Everyone else knew what I
>> was talking about, but it bothered me that so many people had
>> never updated and upgraded to a name that was more appropos of
>> what the place is now - a naturalized area that just happens to
>> sit on top of an old landfill. Can't we celebrate it as a natural
>> area instead of as an old dump?
>>
>> Alright, I'm going to end my rant, but this is soimething that has
>> bothered me for a while. There might be a couple of folks who
>> spend as much time at the Union Bay Natural Area as I do, but they
>> are few and far between. I for one would just like to see my
>> favorite place in Seattle accorded the respect that it has earned
>> as the top birding place in Seattle. Is that too much to ask?
>>
>> Brett A. Wolfe
>> Seattle, WA
>> m_lincolnii at yahoo.com <mailto:m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>
>>
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