Well, I have to add my thoughts here also.

I am like Dale, about some of these short names. Recently this "UCNA" has
been showing up in tweeter posts. I had no idea what it meant!!! I do not
live in the Seattle area! I just figured it must be in the Seattle area
because there are other abbreviations and names from that area that are not
familiar to me. I gave up several years ago at trying to find out what they
meant. Some of the people who use them were offended that I even ask!! So I
usually read tweeters but do very little posting or asking of questions.

Thank you Dale, for you email below!! Well said.

Betty



-----Original Message-----
From: tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu
[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Clarence
C. Lupo
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:53 PM
To: ravenintherain
Cc: Tweeters
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] OT - Why do birders insist on using outdated
info?


So what's a "fisher person"? Do you mean Anglers?
Just never heard that phrase before... I had an image of a Fisher crossed
with a Human. Looked a little like some politicians I've seen.....

Clarence
Cinebar, WA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ravenintherain" <ccorax at blarg.net>
To: "Brett Wolfe" <m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] OT - Why do birders insist on using outdated info?


>
> Your "rant" borders on an issue that I have been holding back on for a
> while because I am relatively new to birding and haven't wanted to offend
> the "old-timers," though as far as age goes, I'm a real old-timer. My
> issue is that Tweeters people often blithely refer to places that are
> undoubtedly well-known in their communities by terms such as "Boeing
> Ponds" or "The Fill," or the "WMS" but are unfindable by those of us who
> don't already know where and what the thing is. I sometimes wonder if
> there is a subconscious resistance to revealing one's favorite birding
> site lest it be overrun. Mushroomers and fisher-people are notorious for
> this sort of "security." At any rate, it would be a great favor to the
> naive and inexperienced among us (i.e., me!) if people would mention the
> general location of the specific places they report on.
>
> As regards the Union Bay Natural Area, I visit it about once a week but I
> have to admit that I don't think of it under that name, though I am
> vaguely aware that that is what the "powers that be" have decided to call
> it. When I first encountered the "UBNA," I thought of it as "the area
> west of the Urban Horticulture Center." Then in my mind it became "North
> Union Bay." The true name of that area is "Union Bay Marsh," but Union
> Bay Marsh was destroyed by the atrocity of "The Montlake Fill" when "the
> powers that were" decided that it was more important to have a dump,
> athletic stadia and parking lots instead of an urban marsh. One important
> reason to remember it as the Montlake Fill is as a reminder of the
> atrocities we have carried out and continue to carry out against wild
> animals and our natural selves.
>
> I'm not sure just what is included in the UBNA, but when I bird North
> Union Bay, I cover from east of the Urban Horticulture Center to the
> Montlake Cut, which is just south of Husky Stadium.
> This discussion probably seems pretty parochial for those living outside
> the Seattle area, but if you come to Seattle, UBNA under any name is a
> great place to to bird and to "mammal" too.
>
> For anyone who would like to get a sense of what was covered by "The
> Fill," the UW Press published a fine study by H. W. Higman back in the
> early '50s. It's called Union Bay, The Life of a City Marsh."
>
> And by the way, where ARE the "Boeing Ponds?" And are "Kent Ponds" and
> the Green River Natural Area one and the same?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dale
>
> --
> Dale Chase
> (AKA ravenintherain)
> Seattle, Washington
> ccorax at blarg.net
>
>
>
> Brett Wolfe wrote:
>> Hiya tweets,
>> This question is not meant to upset folks, but to try to understand why
>> so many people insist on using outdated information.
>> The Union Bay Natural Area (aka UBNA) has zero signs which mention that
>> it used to be called the Montlake Fill. I know it is a nice short name,
>> but it isn't right, not anymore. I find it amazing that if one was to ask
>> anyone at the University of Washington, which is the entity that manages
>> the UBNA, I doubt any of them would even know the term Montlake Fill,
>> much less use it in everyday language. The folks at the Center for Urban
>> Horticulture were, in their words, "appalled" that anyone still called it
>> 'the Fill'.
>> To take it a step further, for those that insist on calling the UBNA by
>> the old name, why do you still say Dime Lot for the E-5 parking lot?
>> Anyone who hasn't lived in Seattle for 20 years has no idea what the heck
>> the "Dime lot" is unless it is explained that it is an old, dilapidated
>> name for the E-5 lot.
>> It actually bothered me that when I reported the Lapland Longspur there
>> a few weeks back, I had at least 3 different people ask me where the UBNA
>> was located. In every case, they were some old-time Seattleite who still
>> called it the Fill. Everyone else knew what I was talking about, but it
>> bothered me that so many people had never updated and upgraded to a name
>> that was more appropos of what the place is now - a naturalized area that
>> just happens to sit on top of an old landfill. Can't we celebrate it as a
>> natural area instead of as an old dump?
>> Alright, I'm going to end my rant, but this is soimething that has
>> bothered me for a while. There might be a couple of folks who spend as
>> much time at the Union Bay Natural Area as I do, but they are few and far
>> between. I for one would just like to see my favorite place in Seattle
>> accorded the respect that it has earned as the top birding place in
>> Seattle. Is that too much to ask?
>> Brett A. Wolfe
>> Seattle, WA
>> m_lincolnii at yahoo.com <mailto:m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>
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