Subject: [Tweeters] Montlake Fill & place names
Date: Oct 29 10:07:02 2007
From: dave templeton - crazydave65 at inbox.com


scott:

i don't recall anyone remotely suggesting there should be some required geographic content to a post. what's being debated, in my estimation, is transmitting enough information so a post is useful to the largest number of folks *without unduly burdening* the sender. nor do i think the issue is people asking for dessert with the free lunch. from my viewpoint, if the sender uses some shorthand i don't know, then i ignore the post.

if i sense the direction of recent posts, the idea is to try to figure out how and where to maintain on the internet a collection of directions, name cross references and perhaps maps so posters can use whatever terminology they will. in short, i don't think your posited sole alternative is even on the table, nor should it be.

regards,

t
fall city

crazydave65atinboxdotcom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: scottratkinson at hotmail.com
> Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:11:53 -0700
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Subject: [Tweeters] Montlake Fill & place names
>
>
> Tweeters:
>
> So many have contributed on these, I think it's time to throw in my two
> cents...
>
> I can understand that some prefer the Union Bay name because from a sheer
> marketing perspective it is more appealing perhaps. But I'm with Gene:
> (a) the Union Bay Natural Area seems a major misnomer, since this is
> highly altered habitat, with resultant flora (and some fauna) being quite
> adventive; and (b) the Montlake Fill seems a more precise name, since
> Union Bay suggests to me a larger area, including areas south of the fill
> (along Union Bay). The fact that the area was once a dump should not
> deter anyone from birding there, in fact it's a cause for celebration
> that a former waste site could be so successfully converted into a super
> birding spot. Like others, I recall birding the Fill frequently in the
> early 80s, during UW days, and have many memories associated with the 'ol
> Fill...
>
> And then on directions: I guess what disturbs me the most is the
> prevalent "I exist, therefore you owe me" attitude of so many. I guess
> it's missed on them that some contributors don't always have the time to
> give a georgraphic treatise on what county, what turns, what pulloffs,
> etc.--and where do you draw the line on geographic tips? Some visitors
> probably need even more info that just a county or site name. Let's also
> remember that the vast majority of readership is probably not apt to give
> chase to every bird; therefore those people who want to give chase and
> don't have knowledge of locality should simply contact the person posting
> (I have received many such queries over time) and my general impression
> is that there are few that would deny such a query for info. Instead of
> looking a contributing (who has taken their own time to post) gift horse
> in the mouth, why not be grateful that we have a medium like Tweeters,
> and that at least you have a tip on which to start?
>
> The alternative is to force strict georgraphical posting requirements,
> censoring out those that don't comply with same; in which case it is most
> likely that several constributors, including myself, will simply stop
> posting...
>
> Scott Atkinson
> Lake Stevens
> mail to: scottratkinson at hotmail.com
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