Tweets,



It's a bit difficult to tell from the photos as the bird seems to lack a
tail and that's a key distinguishing feature. The primaries do seem rather
dark, but perhaps not dark enough to be a Eurasian Collared-Dove. Friday's
bird was definitely Eurasian Collared-Dove. My photos show the fairly
extensive black base to the tail feathers that extends a bit further out on
the outer ones as well as the dark gray undertail coverts and primaries.



Gene Hunn

18476 47th Pl NE

Lake Forest Park, WA

enhunn323 at comcast.net



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[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Marc
Hoffman
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:50 AM
To: Ned McGarry; tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park / Eurasian vs. Ringed . . . Dove



Ahh, I see Ned has more synapses firing than I do. Now I remember we had
preferred Ringed Turtle-Dove as our ID of the 2006 bird. But that begs the
question, which one was last week's bird?

Marc Hoffman
Kirkland, WA
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At 06:34 AM 4/14/2008, you wrote:



Marc and Tweeters . . .

I had concluded that the dove we saw in 2006 was a Ringed Turtle-Dove (or
African Collared-Dove) and not a Eurasian. The two are very similar in
appearance, though the Ringed is smaller with lighter primaries and overall
more pale than the Eurasian. The Ringed apparently is much more likely to
be kept as a pet.

I have a small gallery of the April 2006 bird.

http://www.pbase.com/nmcgarry/ringed_td

Of course I'm open to any follow-up opinions as to whether this was a
Eurasian, though I still believe it was a tame/escaped Ringed TD as I recall
the size to be more consistent with the 11" vs. 13" for the Eurasian. The
primaries also seem lighter, but I'll have to see if I can dig up my
original images to make sure photo processing didn't result in
misrepresented tones. I don't generally mess with color saturation when I
prepare my images, so I think that "what we see is what we get" with these
shots.

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Ned McGarry
Sammamish, WA
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