Also, the large size of the breast spotting looks to be that of a juvenile Sharp-shinned, according to a couple of sources I just looked up. (Maybe this point has already been mentioned somewhere?)

Phil Hotlen
Bellingham, WA
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Robert Pisano <pisano at nwlink.com>
> Nancy,
>
> There's a guy in Sweden who knows a ridiculous amount about the
> vagaries of the Sharpie/Coopers conundrum.
>
> May I forward your photos to him for an opinion?
>
> Robert Pisano
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Stewart Wechsler wrote:
>
> > Concerning Nancy's Accipiter I.D. question for this photo:
> >
> > http://www.nancywagnerphotography.com/id.html
> >
> > Though I would lean towards calling the Accipiter in the photo a
> > Sharpie
> > because of the apparent notch in the middle of the end of the tail and
> > because the bird looks a bit slimmer than I think of a Coopers being,
> > I have
> > little confidence without getting something that indicates size or
> > seeing
> > the bird in flight from above or below. If the end of the tail is
> > somewhat
> > rounded in flight and is the size of a crow or close to that size I
> > would
> > call it a Coopers. If the tail squared to notched at the end and
> > apparently
> > smaller than a crow, I would call it a Sharpie. I don't know how
> > reliable
> > the tail shape alone is while perched. I presume that the tail
> > feathers
> > could be spread while perching to give it the appearance of being
> > notched
> > without showing a notch from above or below in flight. Though I
> > presume
> > that there are other subtle distinctions, these are the only ones I
> > currently use to distinguish these species.
> >
> > -Stewart
> >
> > Stewart Wechsler
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> > -----Original Message--
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:04 PM
> > To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> > Subject: [Tweeters] Debate continues on sharpie vs cooper with 1 more
> > photo
> >
> >
> > Here's one more photo of a new angle of the possible sharpie or
> > cooper's
> > (second link). What I wouldn't have given to have it turn
> > around...instead,
> > the one behavior I did see was that it flew down to the ground, and I
> > couldn't see it anymore, even after going over to look.
> >
> > http://www.nancywagnerphotography.com/id.html
> >
> > http://www.nancywagnerphotography.com/id2.html
> >
> > Hope this helps id it and thanks again!
> >
> > Nancy Wagner
> > Bothell, WA
> > Nancy at nancywagnerphotography.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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