As we talk about vagrants and what RBC's would decide, how many would say that a House Finch, Solataire, or Sora found on a Hawaiian Island would be an assisted vagrant?? Yet, they or a lineal relative,?are the source of?many native species on the Islands.



I have no idea about the Verdin, but it has happened before.



Hal Michael

Olympia

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Greaves" <lbviman at blackfoot.net>
To: vogelfreund at comcast.net
Cc: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:46:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Re: vagrancy, transport, verdins and others

It would require feeding the bird, AND a SHORT trip. MOST such
workers stop in California for awhile. Keeping little birds like that
alive in captivity is difficult in calm circumstances; also, it would
be hard to catch it even if it did "snag a ride" north. Birds have
wings. Wings carry them far even against the wind.

At 12:16 AM 4/8/2010, vogelfreund at comcast.net wrote:
>I thought of a scenario to account for that Verdin. I'm probably
>wrong about it, but I'll toss it in the ring. Migrant (Mexican)
>workers go back and forth between southern and northern agricultural
>regions on a seasonal basis. Since their trucks could accidentally
>catch a curious Verdin down in Arizona, their children might have
>caged one for entertainment while on their northward trek, and then
>released it after arriving in eastern Washington. Well, it's just a thought.
>
>Phil Hotlen
>Bellingham, WA
>-----------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Greaves" <lbviman at blackfoot.net>
>To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
>Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 2:11:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: [Tweeters] Re: vagrancy, transport, verdins and others
>
>Thank you for good comments. Bear in mind also, that some records
>committees argue over those exact points: vagrancy versus transported
>(or escapee). One "no" vote (for whatever reason) is okay in MT, but
>two such votes denies it is "real" - ie, that it is/was unprovably
>"vagrant", and could have been excape or transported by human... That
>does not negate the sighting however! On a side note, the
>ornithological "reason" given for the "expected" vagrancy of some
>species is precisely because they are poor fliers -- rails, for
>example... By no small stretch, one could assume as much of
>curve-billed thrasher and verdin, and perhaps overlooked until a
>relatively recent HUGE increase in eyes out there looking more
>critically at birds, with its resulting "competitive" spirit - Jim Greaves, MT
>
>At 01:05 PM 4/6/2010, Scott Downes wrote:
> >For those who are tired of this thread ... [snipped] ... We should
> >be diligent in a review, but diplomatic. For those being reviewed,
> >try to take a second look at the intent of the review. It might be
> >grilling, but no malice intended (hopefully).
> >
> >Off my soap box now.
> >
> >Scott Downes
> >downess at charter.net
> >Yakima WA
>
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