Scott,



Did you get photos of your reported "eastern" Winter Wren at Graysmarsh?
This would be highly unusual.



The normal wrens throughout Washington and all of BC except the extreme
northeast are Pacific Wrens. The Winter Wren (sensu novo), corresponding to
the former "hiemalis" subspecies, has (to the best of my knowledge) never
been previously recorded in Washington or in BC west of the Rocky Mountains.




It seems that the only way reports of the "new" Winter Wren can be
adequately documented are by specimens, photos, or by recording the song if
the bird happens to be singing (unlikely). The Washington Records Committee
should have fun with reports of this species.



All the best,



Wayne C. Weber

Delta, BC

contopus at telus.net







From: tweeters-bounces at mailman2.u.washington.edu
[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott
Atkinson
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:01 AM
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: [Tweeters] AOU wrens, scoters



Tweeters:

Seems to this observer that there was a very solid case for the western and
eastern (Winter) Wren split. Gather the big Pribilof birds
retained into the new Pacific Wren. I had an eastern hiemalis type (now by
the AOU, "Winter Wren") at Graysmarsh
on October 24th last year; does anyone out there in Tweeterland have
knowledge of other WA encounters with this taxon? Seems that more
scrutiny of the T. troglodytes group will be needed--thinking here of two
Russian Far East (Winter) Wren forms,
which sounded close to, but different, than either of our newly-split North
American species, yet didn't seem to fit easily
with the nominate taxon back in UK/Europe either.

Scott Atkinson
Lake Stevens
mail to: scottratkinson at hotmail.com