As a birder and big lens photographer I must be missing something. Big
lenses allow us to take documentary photographs of birds for identification
and verification of species ***without*** causing stress to the birds. After
all isn't this the vehicle to which beautiful content fills books ...for
us.to help in our pursuit of birding?

What in the world did I miss?



Marty at www.martykramerstudio.com







From: tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu
[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Roger Moyer
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:21 PM
To: cgluckman at aol.com
Cc: tweeters
Subject: RE: [Tweeters] big lens photographers, again



I agree that this thread was beat to death a few months ago. No one likes a
rude person be it a birder or any type of person. Furthermore I don't know
why the people with their at ^$#* lens are being singled out. I wish I had the
money to afford the equipment. I would love to take up photography but don't
have the resources. What is the difference between these lenses and a scope.
It is big and takes up just as much room and I like to drag it around at
times. The principal is the same here. So lets stop castigating our
photographer friends who are fortunate enough to be able to enjoy their
hobby. Off my midsized horse and my $0.02 worth.

Roger Moyer
Chehalis, WA
rogermoyer1 at hotmail.com

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To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 23:54:37 -0400
From: cgluckman at aol.com
Subject: [Tweeters] big lens photographers, again

Sadly, it seems that only a few months ago there was a thread about big lens
photographers and now we start again. First, let me say I've been a birder
for over 40 years and big lens bird photographer for much less. I have known
a few rude photographers and a few rude birders and don't like either very
much. I also don't like rude dog owners who purposefully release their
animals to run after birds. In fact, I really don't like rude people of any
sort. Most of us don't. The truth is that the vast majority of birders, bird
photographers and dog owners are nice people who are fair and considerate of
those around them, and it is never right to assume that if one is rude they
all are.



That having been said, I have felt since reading the previous thread about
&)^$%#^ lens photographers that there is room for improvement that needs to
be considered and understood better by those of us who photograph birds. In
that regard, a few of us have started exporing the possibility of a bird
photography symposium some time in the fall that will include as one of its
topics a discussion on how photographers should comport themselves around
birds and birders with an eye toward eliminating as many of these conflicts
as possible while still allowing us to continue our hobbies or professions
and maintain a unified front for the protection of birds and their habitat.



It is our hope that the symposium will encourage broad participation and
include lots of information on other topics of interest to all levels of
bird photographers. We did not expect to make this information public until
we were a bit further down the road, but in light of the appearance of this
thread again, I felt it was important to let the community know that plans
are in the works to publicly explore some of these conflicts so that maybe
the need to rehash this on Tweeters would be reduced for now. I'll be happy
to consider any thoughts you might have on this symposium and come back with
more specific information when the plans are closer to fruition.



David Gluckman
811 22nd St.
Pt. Townsend, WA 98368
360 379-0360





Marty at www.martykramerstudio.com