Splintering the group into factions is silly and childish. Us and them rhetoric will not serve the cause well. Listen to yourself, this is the root of bigotry, stereotyping a group based on a subset of that group and applying the stereotype to everyone.

Knock it off, really, knock it off. This is not sarcasm.

Ted Ryan
Fredrickson, WA



On Apr 24, 2011, at 3:28 AM, Michael Price <loblollyboy at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Perfect response Michael
> You lumped all photographers in a "group", and your "data" of 80% of unscrupulous photographers I'm sure is an accurate number from diligent note-taking. And lets not forget when people tell us how long they have been birding or leading tours....that makes their OPINION more valid. This is exactly why the discussion should be ended. Everyone has their opinion, and Michael is right, there are jerks with cameras out there. But the discussion goes nowhere except to vent personal feelings towards unscrupulous people. And those people could care less what they do.
> Nothing anyone has to say about this topic could possibly add any value, but go for it...because I know these type of silly discussions won't end.
> Jonah
>
> Well, Jonah---BTW, thanks for the gratuitous sarcasm, very classy on your part----when I was the hopefully conscientious operator of the of the Vancouver BC Bird Alert, a post from which I was summarily removed because I was too conscientious, I noticed a pattern of photographer-based abuse of the birds: flushed shorebirds, disrupted nesting birds, and disrupted owls. By photographers who needed a full-frame shot, not birders who were satisfied by a simple sighting. I then removed the exact sighting locations, not a popular decision---okay with most birders, but photographers like you hated it. So, Jonah... Oh, you know what those three little dots means, eh? Don't have to say them out loud, yeah? I mean, you have your pride, right? Okay, if you still don't get it, it's irony. It's even sarcasm. It means, according to your own wording, you're one of them, not us.
>
> Michael Price
> Vancouver BC Canada
> loblollyboy at gmail.com
>
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