Subject: [Tweeters] Goodbye Northwestern Crow
Date: Sun Jul 5 21:53:46 PDT 2020
From: strix.nebulosa1987 at gmail.com - strix.nebulosa1987 at gmail.com

Actually all native Corvids including crows are protected under the Migratory Bid treaty Act and their take outside of an authorized hunting season is illegal. Some sates do have hunting seasons on crows just like they do on waterfowl. As with waterfowl, crow seasons are tightly regulated when they are authorized. If you want to see the official list see this link.

https://www.fws.gov/birds/management/managed-species/migratory-bird-treaty-act-protected-species.php#alphabetical



Mike





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Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Goodbye Northwestern Crow



Starlings, as an introduced species, are not covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty & Act, and many states classify them as vermin. Crows are excluded from the Treaty/Act and most states also classify them as vermin. In most states there are no restrictions on shooting vermin (whether birds or rodents) - only restrictions on where one can discharge a firearm (populated areas, from roads, etc), but animals classified as vermin are vulnerable all days & seasons in most states. Deer & Elk know when & where hunting them is permitted, I think Crows are smarter ...



Chris Kessler

Seattle



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:14 PM Robert O'Brien <baro at pdx.edu <mailto:baro at pdx.edu> > wrote:

I agree with Dennis about the wrong end of the gun. An adjacent property owner had a teenage son. This is a rural area and they were hunters.

The son spent a lot of time shooting Starlings which was assumed to be quasi legal. I suspect he shot Crows when he could.

This was more than 25 years ago, before we purchased that property. To this day I have _never_ seen a crow on the ground anywhere in the area, even though flocks fly overhead all the time. There are about 100 acres of farmland in the area. Fallow some years and in the winter. Never on the ground. A few days ago, I was amazed that a few were mobbing a Barred Owl in a large cedar tree on the property. Maybe they heard the Robins/Steller's Jays? I don't recall ever having seen them even land in a tree before in all these years.

Crows have long memories. But, they quite happily walk around on my daughter's tiny lawn in Portland. Not a care in the world there. Crows are smart, but that's not news.

Another interesting factoid. So far as is known the (former) Northwestern Crow never made it to Oregon. BUT, the beach crows here are also very small and seem to be confined to the beach areas, often congregating on tidal flats. Wish I was a good enough birder to have compared these crows with the larger, inland ones or with NW Crows. I guess that could be easily done through the Macaulay Library. And by inland, I don't mean far inland. I just mean a few miles from the beach where the crows appear quite a bit larger. And less prone to moving around in flocks. (Hopefully, this last paragraph isn't a Fake Factoid, a part of my imagination).



Bob OBrien Portland



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:22 PM Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson at comcast.net <mailto:dennispaulson at comcast.net> > wrote:

Northwestern Crows are thought to have evolved in coastal areas with Native American villages, thus adapted to living around people. Why the eastern crows didn't do the same, I don't know, except that crows have been agricultural pests in the East for a very long time and were often sighted at the end of a gun barrel. That may be why they aren't so tame.



Dennis Paulson

Seattle



On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Catherine Joy <catherinejoymusic at gmail.com <mailto:catherinejoymusic at gmail.com> > wrote:



Behaviorally, I have noticed the crows on the West coast are more "tame" than East coast birds. I would never see crows just walking around with the pedestrians on busy city streets out East. And I never was able to approach crows so closely until moving here.



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:26 PM Hans-Joachim Feddern <thefedderns at gmail.com <mailto:thefedderns at gmail.com> > wrote:

This has been a long time in coming and is based on scientific data. Personally I feel there is a difference in vocalization with American Crows and the size difference can be quite obvious. Also habitat: "Northwestern" Crows are rarely found too far from shore. To me there also is a difference between calls of American Crows here in the Northwest and birds on the East Coast. I have never heard a crow in Maryland doing the "meow" call you can hear here frequently. Another interesting observation, is that I have never seen a roadkill-ed crow on the East Coast, but see many around here! Just thinking!



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:55 PM dick <dick at dkporter.net <mailto:dick at dkporter.net> > wrote:



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