Subject: [Tweeters] Goodbye Northwestern Crow
Date: Tue Jun 30 20:32:08 PDT 2020
From: J Christian Kessler - 1northraven at gmail.com

Starlings, as an introduced species, are not covered by the Migratory Bird
Treaty & Act, and many states classify them as vermin. Crows are excluded
from the Treaty/Act and most states also classify them as vermin. In most
states there are no restrictions on shooting vermin (whether birds or
rodents) - only restrictions on where one can discharge a firearm
(populated areas, from roads, etc), but animals classified as vermin are
vulnerable all days & seasons in most states. Deer & Elk know when & where
hunting them is permitted, I think Crows are smarter ...

Chris Kessler
Seattle

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:14 PM Robert O'Brien <baro at pdx.edu> wrote:


> I agree with Dennis about the wrong end of the gun. An adjacent property

> owner had a teenage son. This is a rural area and they were hunters.

> The son spent a lot of time shooting Starlings which was assumed to be

> quasi legal. I suspect he shot Crows when he could.

> This was more than 25 years ago, before we purchased that property. To

> this day I have _never_ seen a crow on the ground anywhere in the area,

> even though flocks fly overhead all the time. There are about 100 acres of

> farmland in the area. Fallow some years and in the winter. Never on the

> ground. A few days ago, I was amazed that a few were mobbing a Barred Owl

> in a large cedar tree on the property. Maybe they heard the

> Robins/Steller's Jays? I don't recall ever having seen them even land in a

> tree before in all these years.

> Crows have long memories. But, they quite happily walk around on my

> daughter's tiny lawn in Portland. Not a care in the world there. Crows are

> smart, but that's not news.

> Another interesting factoid. So far as is known the (former) Northwestern

> Crow never made it to Oregon. BUT, the beach crows here are also very

> small and seem to be confined to the beach areas, often congregating on

> tidal flats. Wish I was a good enough birder to have compared these crows

> with the larger, inland ones or with NW Crows. I guess that could be

> easily done through the Macaulay Library. And by inland, I don't mean far

> inland. I just mean a few miles from the beach where the crows appear

> quite a bit larger. And less prone to moving around in flocks. (Hopefully,

> this last paragraph isn't a Fake Factoid, a part of my imagination).

>

> Bob OBrien Portland

>

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:22 PM Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson at comcast.net>

> wrote:

>

>> Northwestern Crows are thought to have evolved in coastal areas with

>> Native American villages, thus adapted to living around people. Why the

>> eastern crows didn't do the same, I don't know, except that crows have been

>> agricultural pests in the East for a very long time and were often sighted

>> at the end of a gun barrel. That may be why they aren't so tame.

>>

>> Dennis Paulson

>> Seattle

>>

>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Catherine Joy <catherinejoymusic at gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Behaviorally, I have noticed the crows on the West coast are more "tame"

>> than East coast birds. I would never see crows just walking around with the

>> pedestrians on busy city streets out East. And I never was able to approach

>> crows so closely until moving here.

>>

>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:26 PM Hans-Joachim Feddern <

>> thefedderns at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> This has been a long time in coming and is based on scientific data.

>>> Personally I feel there is a difference in vocalization with American Crows

>>> and the size difference can be quite obvious. Also habitat: "Northwestern"

>>> Crows are rarely found too far from shore. To me there also is a difference

>>> between calls of American Crows here in the Northwest and birds on the East

>>> Coast. I have never heard a crow in Maryland doing the "meow" call you can

>>> hear here frequently. Another interesting observation, is that I have never

>>> seen a roadkill-ed crow on the East Coast, but see many around here! Just

>>> thinking!

>>>

>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:55 PM dick <dick at dkporter.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> The 2020 AOS Supplement is out! - American Birding Association

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> https://www.aba.org/2020-aos-supplement/

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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