Starlings, as an introduced species, are not covered by the Migratory Bird
Treaty & Act, and many states classify them as vermin. Crows are excluded
from the Treaty/Act and most states also classify them as vermin. In most
states there are no restrictions on shooting vermin (whether birds or
rodents) - only restrictions on where one can discharge a firearm
(populated areas, from roads, etc), but animals classified as vermin are
vulnerable all days & seasons in most states. Deer & Elk know when & where
hunting them is permitted, I think Crows are smarter ...
Chris Kessler
Seattle
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:14 PM Robert O'Brien <
baro at pdx.edu> wrote:
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I agree with Dennis about the wrong end of the gun. An adjacent property
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owner had a teenage son. This is a rural area and they were hunters.
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The son spent a lot of time shooting Starlings which was assumed to be
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quasi legal. I suspect he shot Crows when he could.
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This was more than 25 years ago, before we purchased that property. To
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this day I have _never_ seen a crow on the ground anywhere in the area,
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even though flocks fly overhead all the time. There are about 100 acres of
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farmland in the area. Fallow some years and in the winter. Never on the
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ground. A few days ago, I was amazed that a few were mobbing a Barred Owl
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in a large cedar tree on the property. Maybe they heard the
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Robins/Steller's Jays? I don't recall ever having seen them even land in a
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tree before in all these years.
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Crows have long memories. But, they quite happily walk around on my
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daughter's tiny lawn in Portland. Not a care in the world there. Crows are
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smart, but that's not news.
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Another interesting factoid. So far as is known the (former) Northwestern
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Crow never made it to Oregon. BUT, the beach crows here are also very
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small and seem to be confined to the beach areas, often congregating on
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tidal flats. Wish I was a good enough birder to have compared these crows
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with the larger, inland ones or with NW Crows. I guess that could be
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easily done through the Macaulay Library. And by inland, I don't mean far
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inland. I just mean a few miles from the beach where the crows appear
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quite a bit larger. And less prone to moving around in flocks. (Hopefully,
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this last paragraph isn't a Fake Factoid, a part of my imagination).
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Bob OBrien Portland
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>
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:22 PM Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson at comcast.net>
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wrote:
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Northwestern Crows are thought to have evolved in coastal areas with
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Native American villages, thus adapted to living around people. Why the
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eastern crows didn't do the same, I don't know, except that crows have been
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agricultural pests in the East for a very long time and were often sighted
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at the end of a gun barrel. That may be why they aren't so tame.
>>
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Dennis Paulson
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Seattle
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On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Catherine Joy <catherinejoymusic at gmail.com>
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wrote:
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Behaviorally, I have noticed the crows on the West coast are more "tame"
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than East coast birds. I would never see crows just walking around with the
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pedestrians on busy city streets out East. And I never was able to approach
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crows so closely until moving here.
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:26 PM Hans-Joachim Feddern <
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thefedderns at gmail.com> wrote:
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This has been a long time in coming and is based on scientific data.
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Personally I feel there is a difference in vocalization with American Crows
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and the size difference can be quite obvious. Also habitat: "Northwestern"
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Crows are rarely found too far from shore. To me there also is a difference
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between calls of American Crows here in the Northwest and birds on the East
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Coast. I have never heard a crow in Maryland doing the "meow" call you can
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hear here frequently. Another interesting observation, is that I have never
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seen a roadkill-ed crow on the East Coast, but see many around here! Just
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thinking!
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:55 PM dick <dick at dkporter.net> wrote:
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The 2020 AOS Supplement is out! - American Birding Association
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https://www.aba.org/2020-aos-supplement/
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