Deli,
Thank you for your great response.
Sincerely,
Kevin Lucas
Yakima County, WA
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On January 21, 2025 5:01:57 PM Deli Kiz <
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If you read what I wrote I first said "if they were reaponsible hunters…" I
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come from an extended family of responsible hunters, I know what they look
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like.
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I know not a single hunter I associate with would put out any of their
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ducks (or other game) for the eagles to get - whole or trimmed. They
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understand the risk and all. Im sure you do too as a responsible hunter.
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I stick with my original statement. We need to consider who would be doing
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this before we jump to conclusions about anyone giving pause.
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I wont even say a thing about some of the bird listers. There are too many
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of them who get an earful from me because they get too close to a bird or
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do any of those sub-intelligence things you mention all in the name of
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"loving and knowing"'birds. One of these days we'll all understand how to
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protect what we love. Somehow Im still hopeful.
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Thanks,
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DK
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:31 PM Kevin Lucas <vikingcove at gmail.com> wrote:
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I am sure there is a chance of most hunters giving pause, fortunately.
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If anything, I don't think hunters would "think it cool."
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All of the hunters I've encountered while I've been a bird watcher have
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been courteous, freely shared with me their sightings of interest, been
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perfectly respectful of property rights, have been law abiding, and have
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been honest. Unlike school bus drivers and many non-hunters, and one local
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competitive bird lister, hunters have NEVER driven very close past me
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at high speed throwing up rocks and clouds of dust while I scoped from the
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roadside on a gravel road. Three days ago a hunter drove past me very
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slowly, giving me great distance, then watched me for a while before
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approaching and courteously asking what I was doing and whether it would
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bother me if he went into the property to suss out his location for the
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next day's hunt. He explained he had the appropriate permissions and permit
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for that precise location the following day, but really didn't want to
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disturb me. That's par for the course for my interactions with hunters as a
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bird watcher.
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As a hunter, I was trained well and tested rigorously in order to get my
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licenses. My trainers took their jobs seriously. I took my responsibility
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seriously as a student, then as a hunter.
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I've had competitive bird listers describe to me how and where they
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trespass & how they falsify eBird location reports to hide their
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trespassing, had them walk past me and flush birds I was actively and
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obviously observing, and had one try (& fail) to talk me into trespassing
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onto closed Yakama Nation Land on the Yakima Christmas Bird Count for which
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he was the official coordinator for years.
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Yet I don't presume all competitive bird listers wouldn't give pause or
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would "think it cool" to variously act illegally or unethically or in a
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manner harmful to birds.
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I've repeatedly watched and heard two local prominent competitive birders
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use loud playback and loud predator call imitations to harass rare birds
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into view. Their bad behavior set the bar for me until I read and thought
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about how distressing it must be for birds, and until I had a couple of
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separate descriptions by bird enthusiast researchers on how and why they
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limit their use of playback to the minimum required for their study for
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one, and use absolutely no playback for the other. Their discussions and
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good examples changed my behavior for the better.
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Some who act badly won't change. Some will. There are a lot of good eggs
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out there, both hunters and competitive bird listers.
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Respectfully,
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Kevin Lucas
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Yakima, Washington
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*Qui tacet consentire videtur*
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:43 PM Deli Kiz via Tweeters <
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If they were responsible hunters they wouldn't have the excess, not sure
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dying bald eagles are going to stop them. If anything they'd likely think
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it's cool - two birds one stone for them. They don't like that the bald
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eagles are actually out there getting "their" ducks, salmon, etc. in the
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first place. Not sure there is a chance of anyone giving pause
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unfortunately.
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Cheers,
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Deli Kiz
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:30 PM Diann MacRae via Tweeters <
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Hi, Tweets
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I cannot imagine anything so egregious considering HPAI (bird flu) being
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rampant in so many areas. Certainly duck hunters know enough to dispose of
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what they don't want properly. It may be nice for photographs but just
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watch something like a bald eagle or other raptor die from bird flu and
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maybe it will give one pause.
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Cheers, Diann
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Diann MacRae
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Olympic Vulture Study
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22622 - 53rd Avenue S.E.
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<https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g>
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Bothell, WA 98021
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<https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g>
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tvulture at gmx.com
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